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Not that this shit matters, but I really didn't see it coming.
and I was just proved right!
never meant to 'this' this dis.
because if other people like it, it must be shit!
look at every other artist that won a grammy...
one of the best bands alive just pulled off a shock triumph with a heartfelt, honest and at times thrilling record over a clutch of insipid competitors. sure, it's a mainstream event and maybe lacks credibility, but as a result arcade fire are going to have a surge of both interest and record sales. and what's bad about that?
tell me that ain't impressive
THE BUSINESSMEN ARE DRINKING MY BLOOD :'D
I can not believe that unknown artists will earn a world-renowned artists like justin and lady gaga for that reason cease to believe in the legality of prizes
DIDD IT AGEN!!!
WHO ARE DA ARCADE FAYA???
Probably the best Album of the Year choice at Grammy in years...
It is surprising when you look at the other nominees.
It's only in our world that we think Arcade Fire are universal. This is like when High Violet went top five and I seemed to be the only surprised person on DiS.
That godawful Lady Antebellum is like 2010's Taylor Swift in the USA - and the Grammys love that 'inbred country music' as you put it.
he's an idiot
you obviously have NEVER, EVER been to America, or at least anywhere which is any distance from the big coastal cities or Chicago. To most Americans, this will be a massive surprise.
have you seen the reaction it's gotten? People shouting bloody murder that a band they've never heard of beating Eminem and GaGa, in this world you need to have a multi platinum record to win usually or the backing of a major label. Get over yourself Grouch
I was like O_o
well done Arcade Fire
how AF won AotY but lost to the Black Keys for Alt AotY.
This would be my voter-reasoning thesis if I was writing a paper: "These are some fair-at-best, shitty-if-you-ask-me albums; I'll vote for the 'cool' band this one time; but that Black Keys album reminds me of my favorite dive bar."
It's quite funny seeing Barbara Streisand stumble badly when she reads out the winner anyway, as if it's the last thing she expected to have to read out.
Because they can't conceptualize a band having a name that doesn't begin with 'the.' Actually, that's what I think most people are pissy about. Stuff like this always reminds me that middle america exists, what a depressing thought.
hates your favorite movies, enjoys duck hunting season and votes Republican...it's pretty awesome. The 18 months I lived in Minneapolis, MN was truly wonderful; I wish I could go back. (Although it is 75 and sunny in LA today, so, you know.)
not "the midwest." Urban areas like Minneapolis do not count.
and trying to apply it to America. Which does not work, because the country, and the social structure of the country, is entirely different.
I know what America is like because I live in America. I've lived here all my life. Oh look, I'm bored already.
so what oceanRain was saying is completely correct.
Minneapolis doesn't count as a traditional midwestern mindset because it is a very liberal urban area. Middle America is synonymous with conservative values.
Or have you also lived in Minnesota?
Pay attention, and you might learn something. I was trying to make clear to oceanRain that when I said "Middle America" I meant something other than the midwest.
did you even read the fucking Wiki post?
Middle America suggests a small town or suburb in the United States where people are predominantly *middle class*.
... a person may hold Middle American values while not living geographically in the Midwestern United States, and vice versa. The phrase Middle American values is sometimes used to refer to more traditional or conservative politics like family values.
Stop pretending you know what you are talking about.
You said that 'By middle america I mean "middle class suburban people"' which, according to Wikipedia, is not what Middle America means. You also said, bizarrely, it's not applicable to Minnesota, despite the fact that many of the people that OceanRain would have encountered whilst living there would have lived in the suburbs.
."Middle America suggests a small town or suburb in the United States where people are predominantly middle class.".
Also, you're from Newcastle, LC is from America, I suggest he may know what he meant.
."The economy of Middle America is traditionally considered agricultural, though most Middle Americans now live in suburban locales, and a person may hold Middle American values while not living geographically in the Midwestern United States, and vice versa.".
I'm not entirely sure what you were reading.
I didn't say it's not applicable to Minnesota, I said it's not applicable to the city of Minneapolis.
I only argue the point because I have quite a few relatives in the Eagan area, in which the people are exactly how OceanRain describes.
Also -dan- I have family in a small suburb in New Jersey. The outlook is entirely different, and certainly not what would fit into the term 'Middle America'.
As an Englander, I agree that my own understanding of Middle America is a bit different to Middle England - more ."God loves American trucks". than ."Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells". - but LC clarified what he meant, and that wiki article at the least shows that his definition is pretty widespread. But it does seem that oceanRain was using a different definition, yes.
Which is a different thing altogether. However, I really don't want to unpack the entire cultural psychology of America because this really isn't the appropriate venue.
of non-Midwestern middle America? just out of interest like
However, in Minneapolis I could drive 5 minutes and be out in the sticks; there's nowhere within a 3 hour drive from where I live now that's small town. I dunno, I miss that.
I bet, if you and I were to take a drive across the states, and we'd stop into some greasy spoon, where they served homemade apple pie and played piss-poor country music over the loudspeakers, I could change your mind about middle class suburban people. They're really quite charming, in their way. Or, I dunno, maybe we'd just get heartburn!
On a macro level that demographic supports the most stagnant parts of culture. I'm fine with coexisting with people I disagree with completely, but when their tastes, independent of the people themselves come across my radar I find it quite distasteful. In Michigan it's best to avoid small towns though, because you'll probably get shot, or addicted to crack, or become a member of Salem!
i'm sorry our existance depresses you.
Thanks, that means a lot.
the UK 'who the fuck are Arcade Fire' when it was announced they were headlining Leeds and Reading last year...
Surely in this country everyone's heard them on the radio at some point?
they're on the radio a bit, certainly not loads, I don't even know if they're played on any mainstream commercial stations. They're not THAT famous. Very well known within the sphere of popular music, but you wouldn't just HEAR about them if you weren't into music/read music pages in the broadsheets.
If you compare that to the Arctic Monkeys- when they first hit #1 they were EVERYWHERE, all over the media and mainstream news (cause they 'got popular through Myspace', remember), they're probably the only band in the last decade to really have done that.
With the Leeds/Reading thing last year there was lots of stuff on facebook and twitter, though to be honest, whilst it seemed that some people had genuinely never heard of Arcade Fire, quite a lot of the 'Who the fuck are Arcade Fire?' was more 'I've heard of this band, but how DARE they headline over the Libertines'
because, although people probably at least know Wake Up and We Used To Wait was on the radio a fair bit, it didn't really help that they were played by Edith Bowman doing that 'I don't really know much about this but seeing as I'm the resident indie fan here due to being married to some guy from some band and NME say this lot are quite good so I have to play them now and say that they're amaaaaaazing and talk about how many times I've seen them live until they get taken off the C-list' which would automatically make me switch off no matter what music I liked.
^this came across as unecessarily bitchy and I should also add that Hugh Stevens says their name better than anyone else because he makes it sound like the title of an obscure Welsh fairytale.
Yes, they may be playing at Hyde Park and headlining festivals, but there are probably hundreds of bands who play on huge stages that thousands of people don't know about. But if you think about the numbers things become evident.
A concert at Hyde Park could probably cater to about 200,000 people, at the most. While I don't doubt a large number of these people will be London residents, there will also be a great amount of people who have travelled from all over the world, never mind the country, to go to the concert. I think London's population is estimated at something around 10,000,000 people. 200,000 people from all over the world is a really small number in comparison.
Also, people genuinely just do not know. I remember talking to someone about The Cure and they said 'I've never heard of The Cure'. At the time, I was totally amazed: how could someone not know The Cure, one of the most important and influential alternative groups of all time? A band who managed to break America in the '80s and even created their own self-celebrating festival that toured the country. They hadn't even heard The Lovecats or In Between Days or Just Like Heaven. They'd never heard of them at all. But why should they? It's not as if The Cure are in mainstream press all the time and on the radio. They used to be, even more than Arcade Fire are now, but I'm sure there were people in the '80s who said "The Cure? Never heard of them" even though they were shifting millions of albums.
Not quite sure if I've made my point - quite tired - but yeah, it's not that big a deal.
I think though Arcade Fire are a band you know are you don't. They are kind of different to a lot of bands in that way as in they have never had a hit song or song played on the radio lots.
If you look at it that way they are far smaller than most bands, say take a band like Vampire Weekend, they have had hit radio songs so are far more well known than Arcade Fire yet could never fill the same venues or sell as many albums as Arcade Fire.
In that sense Arcade Fire have become a massive cult band. As a band they are in a fantastic position, they aren't tarred with any hit songs, and their rise to popularity has been most admirable i guess.
The whoisarcadefire thing is mostly based on the reactions of Americans. They've sold out Madison Square Gardens twice, played Saturday Night Live twice, had a number one and number two album, several big Rolling Stone pieces... far more exposure to the casual entertainment community than here.
so you can imagine their surprise with this "The Suburbs" band.
When I said something about Radiohead once they rolled their eyes and asked if I liked any bands that people had actually heard of(they also think that they are called 'The Radio Heads'). I asked if any of them wanted to go and see Arcade Fire last December and they replied that there was no way they were going to Cardiff to watch a load of Beardy-Wierdies.
about my favorite bands. Most of what we get on our music stores is Eminem and Gaga so, at least, the Grammy ensures that the next time the salesman would be recommending AF!
hearing them play ready to start with adverts over the top...
WHO DID THEY PAY
These The Suburbs guys are clearly just trollin' music awards.
although, as I mentioned overthread, Mumford & Sons are causing greater confusion among the Twitter kids.
HOW DOES A BAND WITH 2,738 LISTENERS WIN THE GRAMMYS GIVE IT BACK TO JUSTIN
Once again, fine, fine journalism from Female First
Can't even be prejudiced against Canadians these days!
''Either way, they annoyed me a bit, especially when one of the birds kept spinning around and shouting at Win Butler like she was off her head.''
think that bird she's talking about is Will
I'd be worried AF weren't doing their job properly. There a multi-instrumental indie rock band - what they do happens to have become one of the most popular 'alternatives' to mainstream pop music, but I wouldn't claim any of the 3 albums have been accessible chart pop fodder.
Really glad that one of the best indie bands of the last decade is getting the commercial recognition it deserves... I just hope that over time they follow a career path closer to Radiohead than U2.
whoisarcadefire has started posting abusive messages from people who think its owner genuinely doesn't know who they are.
thats a good thing amirite