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Having a Vinyl/CD with artwork/lyrics etc
Annoying fucking adverts.
not if you upgrade it doesn't. what do you expect for free?
I guarantee you at least one major label, and possibly also the conglomerate of indies, will have pulled out of Spotify by the end of the year, especially if the US launch is delayed again.
that removes the ads, allows you to listen to music offline and carry it around on portable devices, you could argue the isn't really.
But I still buy them, mainly because I like owning the CD and putting it on in cars which don't have docks and aux in cables and the like.
which is ok but not amazing
on the headphones I use, the speakers in my living room and such for example it suddenly feels flat, the dynamics aren't as defined and the punch is gone and it all sounds a bit muddy... but if we played it threw a standard speaker setup/headphones the difference is minimal.
ABOUT HOW OTHER PEOPLE LISTEN TO MUSIC >_<#
there's a value in owning something.
with all media, you don't own anything you just get permission to use 1 copy of it at anyone time :)
that's a totally different thing to what you are suggesting. with sptoify you never own a copy of it, you are merely just renting the ability to continue to experience the song. if i own my own copy i can do with it what i like.
your only allowed to play it within one residence at any one time, public broadcasting is strictly forbidden, by selling it on you are passing the licence to listen to it on. You own the case and the physical piece of plastic/vinyl though :)
It's true though, albums can drop off of Spotify
i never said i was 'allowed' to... i 'can' though. and i will.
and trust me, it's incredibly easy as long as your soundcard allows it... you can even rebroadcast it with shoutcast that way :3
but yes, i understand that i can steal from it - but that's like saying you can steal from the radio. doesn't stop the radio...
on my COMPUTER and PHONE. CHRIST.
you would get the best internet package there is. You're internet SCUM you are.
force of habit
and computers are on the decline i guess
where I feel much better listening to music if I 'own' it - that is to say, have it on CD or at least have the MP3 track - I like my itunes library and CD collection to reflect my tastes, it feels shallower and somewhat transient just to listen to streaming audio as your main way of comsunming music
Similarly DVD's, I enjoy adding to my collection, I like having a big unit full of all the films I love, especially when they're so cheap to buy. A lot of my friends just have LoveFilm and make do with that, which I can understand, but it doesn't feel quite right for me - Its good to have artefacts that represent your personality and evolving tastes IMO
I just don't know where to start.
I know there are rental things, and online streaming things etc, but if there was something on the scale of Spotify- where you could choose a film to watch at any time and not be limited to a certain number a month or a small selection, that would be great, cause DVDs are packaged with such little care that I feel dirty spending my money on them.
high quality, can stick it on my ipod, and i don't have to use any of the money i need to survive
tbf, all the musicians i listen to are either dead, or make dollar from playing clubs/selling crack
RIGHT? I don't really understand this though. I've got my Mac 3.5mm into phonos on an awesome old 80s hi-fi I grabbed off my dad
but it depends entirely on the soundcard, so yeah I agree to an extent :)
and need higher sampling rates / more inputs then outputs then don't do that. Soundcards are definitely at the point where the cheapest ones are completely transparent. If there is any audible noise from your soundcard then return it because it's a dud. There can be noise introduced by your computer but not neccesarily audible noise. It's so cheap and easy for companies to produce soundcards now and the DAC in your pc is not going to be inferior to the one in your cd player. It is safe to say that yes it objectively is as good to use your computer as an audio source as a cd player.
i see it more of a 'try before you buy' type thing. not an end product in itself.
Also, as Scagden says underneath, you just keep moving on through stuff. Why bother trying to get into some more awkward stuff when there's a million and one other things you want to check out? Since the less obvious stuff often ends up being my favourite in the end, I'd miss out shitloads if I just used Spotify.
Plus my laptop speakers aren't great.
I was saying I can't properly pay attention if I'm listening at groovesahrk. I used to download illegally but I have, since last two years, started buying CD's of everything I have taken a fancy to. I only download stuff to listen on my mp3, to decide if it is worth buying the CD of.
and you feel less bad listening on Spotify (or a promo stream on NPR or Soundcloud or MySpace) than downloading an acts entire discography just to check out their new album, right?
I find with spotify that I never listen to something twice, just move on to the next thing.
If I've spent actual money on something it'll make me listen to the fuck out of it to get my money's worth. It forces me to focus my attention onto a particualr record or CD rather than just trying to listen to everything.
Because you can only listen to music on a computer/smartphone.
is music/film nerds who love to fetishise material ownership and for some reason get all superior about this. the fact that clinging onto a plastic disc makes your music experience more special is not cos you're a better music fan, it's cos you're part of a culture that is obsessed with ownership and status displays and you're experiencing exactly the same kind of impulse as people who like to have wardrobes full of flashy designer clothes. not arguing about whether this is a bad thing or not, just stop romanticising it, eh?
it's just the idea that owning cds/vinyls as opposed to digital music somehow makes you a "better" listener, or a greater appreciator of art
However, to suggest that is the ONLY factor involved in having a physical product is reductive in the extreme.
Many other good factors have been listed ^. A quick summary:
-the sound quality is better
-supporting the artist connected financially
-limiting yourself to what you can afford to purchase actually forces you to listen to what you have more closely.
-quality of artwork/lyric sheets etc etc.
You don't have to own a barn full of CDs/vinyl to be a 'real music fan' at all, but to suggest that people ONLY buy music because of materialsitic compulsions is just plain wrong.
i do care about self-satisfied justifications of that preference which mostly all DO come down to materialism. i mean all the reasons you listed could be applied to paying for high-quality downloads. even the one about artwork; why is a mass-printed booklet more valuable than a jpg file? it isn't - there's an instinctive tendency to assume it is, just like there's an instinctive acceptance of the idea that sitting down and listening to a vinyl is a 'better', more concentrated experience than listening to an mp3 album, but both of those assumptions are pretty illogical. course there's nothing wrong with liking artwork or owning lots of discs, as long as we can acknowledge that it's just another material aesthetic fixation like collecting nice ornaments or clothes, with no real link to the value of the music itself
How often does anyone honestly root through their music files to have a look at the jpeg booklet? Compared to slipping it out of the CD case and having a flick through while you're putting it on...
I can see where you're coming from generally, but I'm not entirely convinced that fetishism doesn't occur with people opening up their music libraries on their computer either.
but to be fair in recent times i've discovered a much better use for album artwork which is using it to decorate my walls. pinning up a bunch of cd covers in colour-coded patterns looks way cooler than posters. but still, could just print off copies of artwork and it'd be the same thing. and yeah obvs there are all sorts of similar fetish things that download geeks enjoy (like obsessing over perfect tags and adding artwork or last.fm charts and stuff) but at least they generally accept that it's just a case of weird OCD and/or showing off - it doesn't tend to have the same element of 'oh it just makes the music experience so much more SPECIAL and MEANINGFUL for me, you wouldn't understand you probably just listen to individual mp3s in isolation lol'
Obviously there's a massive materialistic element to collecting Vinyl, i do it because i like to own things i think the artwork and the Audio quality is better with Vinyl than it is with CD's but to take it to the simplest process to play an mp3 file you hit the space bar, to play a vinyl you carefully desleave it, choose the side you want, gently lay the needle down - to avoid scratching it, and twenty or so minutes later you have to get up and flip the record over to continue listening to it. I put Mp3s on all the time and carry on doing whatever and my itunes would continue playing for the next 2 months without stopping, and at somepoint it can easily become background noise because life is going on around it. With Vinyl i end up listening to it and appreciating it more because it's finite and i know i'll have to act again in a few minutes to continue my enjoyment of it. It's kind of like of like the difference between smoking Marlboro or rolling your own.
because when i choose to listen to vinyl i'm likely to be in a more relaxed mood and more willing to put in effort to listen, so i tend to buy things like olafur arnalds or max richter among others that lean a little more towards the subtle than my normal electropop or alt rock inclinations.
It happens to me all the time in the car. Depending on your mental condition the music on Vinyl can just easily become background music to your daily life. I don't think I would enjoy Max Richter more (cause I already love him a LOT) if I were listening to it on Vinyl.
if you need more faff and inconvenience and weird ceremonial stuff to force you to concentrate on an album, that's purely a psychological mindset you've come to associate with that process through habit, nothing to do with the process itself being 'better'. what is honestly stopping you from hitting spacebar and then stopping to properly listen like you would with a vinyl? nothing except your own willpower. once again, fair enough if you just happen to quite *like* the nostalgic cermonial stuff in itself, but it has no logical advantage over any other listening method except in how you personally relate to it
Mp3's are likely to have a 'better' sound production value and getting there is going to be so much faff and inconvenience, why 'force' myself to bother. Everything in existence is bound to be wrapped up in how we personally relate to it from music to breathing to every comment and interpretation on this message board. I used words liek 'choose to' which you have interpreted as 'force myself to' an entirely different thing. What's 'better' musically therfore is down to your own personal relationship with music itself. Or if you escape that and come to finite terms anaolg sound is 'better' sound quality than digital
i agree with you, but you gotta admit 'material music' nerds get pretty defensive in trying to ascribe universal value to their preferences. also i don't really buy the argument that there's any significant quality difference between decent mp3s and anything else unless you're using £1000000 headphones... but maybe i'm just a pleb with bad ears
i work with sound everyday so i'm bound to be a bit anal about it and think that i can here the difference between analog and digital signals but when it comes down to it it's all about enjoying the music whatever style, genre, rhythm, bpm and way you want to. And i agree there's need to be either hipster or defensive about your choices, in another twenty years we'll probably all have digital ear chips uploading the music of our choice straight to our brains anyway
-a lot of the time music goes on in the background (both from Dissers and the rest of the world) and is semi-ignored.
-in order to be a '''''real music fan'''' you really want to be able to concentrate on a specific album or song rather than just letting it fade into the background.
Now if you're capable of doing this with spotify then well done you. But I'm not, and I guess a lot of other people aren't either.
i guess the real problem with spotify is that it necessitates being on the internet, which is always a distraction no matter what it is you're trying to concentrate on. most of my concentrated listening these days is done on mp3 player when out walking/travelling. but the point is it's all purely habitual, innit
Material 'ownership' means you have invested, both in money and more importantly in giving the CD its rightful respect as a work of art, not just something made for blind downloading and consumption? doesnt having it on Cd mean you are giving the artwork some form of respect in that it exists outside of your mere consumption of it?
Dongshan said, "Three pounds of flax."
can't do that with mp3s.
Are you going to ATP? I have a Thinking Fellers cd on the way and if it isn't good I will throw it at them. Honest.
but i actually can't believe i'm the first person apart from brightonb to say this ^. what is wrong with the world
are you more or less likely to 'support' an artist who seems to be having a helluva lot of fun and/or 'living the dream'? because I sort of feel that i'm far more likely to 'support' really life-bitten people, who don't seem like they're having any fun and might need the money. was gonna see if miserability correlates with who does better out of fan-funding.
I've got an iPod touch and it all works offline. you get a fair whack of stuff you can sync up.
sync as much as your device will let you. More data that most people will buy from iTunes in a lifetime.
but given that I'm not that interested in apps the extra cost cost vs decrease in storage space (and I already had filled an 80gb) when compared to a 160gb classic just didn't seem worth it. even if I could've spent every train ride to work playing Bejewelled.
I did use to pay the £5/month ad-free option when I had proper internet at home, and I had the £10/month premium before they brough in the lower tariff. it's a pretty brilliant service but as others have said i just found myself getting lost in it. too much choice.
Being able to sync albums to my iPhone pretty much whenever I want. I buy a fair few of the albums I listen to as well, but there's no way I'd be able to listen to half as much music without that subscription and the iPhone app.
Can't say I notice that often about lack of sound quality. In fact, the only time I do is because of the shitty connection the iPhone has when plugging it into my amp and speaker. That's not the fault of Spotify itself.
...to my hifi sounds very good indeed. But I also stream itunes from my computer which contains all the obscure stuff spotify doesn't have.
And are you outputting optical or coaxial?
from ipad via Airport Express / Airfoil to AVI amp.
..a trend starting to happen where one or two tracks start to disappear from albums? An example being Sister Ray on Velvet Undergrounds White Light / White Heat album. Can listen to the rest of the album apart from that track and I know for sure that you used to be able to.
There's other albums like this but can't remember them off the top of my head. Wonder if this will start to happen more, if the big labels say "oh you can have this album on there but remove 2 tracks from it"
This is getting annoying. At first it just seemed to be long tracks (they type that are normally 'album only' on iTunes) but now it's happening to more. Completely pointless having incomplete albums on there. I keep meaning to email Spotify to complain - guessing it's dictated by the labels but it's really frustrating.
And then you'll be sorry.
I want them to earn enough money by selling their music so that they can afford to make more of it.
Having the music you love on vinyl/cd is really handy when you live with people - I certainly find it acts as a useful signifier: if I've put a record on then I'm really listening to it.
If Mrs S comes in and I'm just streaming something on the laptop or whatever she'll often tell me to turn it off (in the same way you might if you see someone channel surfing on the TV and want their attention). But if I've put a record on then (in the same way as if you're watching a film on DVD) she'll acknowledge that I'm REALLY listening to it and let me alone with it.
The answer is 'what if my computer breaks or that site gets closed down?'
Always best to back up your work.
There's so much stuff on there that I get a bit click-happy. I'm too lazy to get up and change CDs or records every four minutes though.