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and I can't wait. One of the best bands of the last 10 years. While everyonee else is wrapped up in Iron and Wine and other popular recent releases this is really where it's at.
always pained me because it's so good yet the production/mastering is terrible. they've got a real producer at the helm for this one, and patrick krief's awesome riffs (absent from missiles apart from a couple solos) are back in full force. so good.
i was already looking ahead to the elbow album, and while this was on my radar, i didn't expect it to be so fantastic.
when they were massively hyped as the next big thing and then it never happened. Good to hear they're still about and seemingly brilliant, must check them out.
which is th best they've done since NCL, and the other pre-release track, which is also pretty good.
I agree with the point up ^there that the mastering on GoL is terrible. Probably would've been a decent album, otherwise.
for me, although I do accept 2011 is only four weeks old!
I'd like to hear it as they were ace a few years back and then seemed to nosedive badly.
after gang of losers i wasn't expecting much, but this is ace. didn't rate Blood either, but its probably one of the worst uns on the album
I'd given up on Murray Lightburn what with various personal challenges, whole band walking out / being sacked and other stuff. Or that he'd get the inspiration back to do anything decent after the last couple of records. Loving it.
with Missiles being underwhelming and Murray Lightburn going nuts/firing the rest of the band bar his wife etc, but these comments have me looking forward to this now with some degree of hope.
I will be back to report my findings.
stream? has it leaked?
i am sure to encounter friends - those who unfamiliar with the band's previous work, surely, because i can't see how a fan of the band would disappointed by this - who will dismiss it as a poor man's radiohead or whatever.
which i think might be more of a compliment than they realize... because what they're highlighting is the fact that this is impeccable *guitar* rock a la *bends-era* radiohead. which goes back to my man patrick krief, who apparently truly co-wrote this one with murray and contributed more than ever. his riffs are just so classic/classy.
meanwhile, it'll get a 9/10 here (hopefully) and a 6something on pitchfork...
Mind you they gave it a higher mark than No Cities Left (6.8)
that really surprised me. perhaps i didn't give it enough of a chance, but i struggled to get into that album (@marlow: please don't hate me).
Guitarist Patrick Krief says, “It’s gotta be the best Dears record yet, too. It really feels like a greatest-hits record. It’s the first Dears record I got to write for, and I’m pretty damn proud of it. The production is immaculate, the songs are epic, Murray (Lightburn)’s vocals are raging and better than ever.”
in everything since that album, the Dears have shunned the eclecticism and experimentalism that made NCL so great.
On a couple of listens, I quite like the new one, but I still keep waiting (hopelessly) for them to bust out of the constraints set by some idea of a *song*. It does kinda feel like a greatest hits record — and that's precisely its problem, because it's missing the kind of adventurousness that only comes in tracks that don't need to be a "hit" (or even a "song" for that matter).
the thrashy-shouty bit at the end of Never Destroy Us, or the pure epicness of Postcard from Purgatory — there's none of that on Degeneration Street, and I can't help but feel it would've been a much better album if it held a few such surprises in store.
i'll be the first one to admit that i am very much into *songs* and hooks and riffs. but i do feel that using NCL (the band's early career defining opus) as a measuring stick is kind of self-defeating, and i definitely don't think it lacks epicness...
any plans for them to tour here?
(too lazy to google)
they've just said they'll be going all over the world in support of the record in 2011.
...but although I liked a few songs, I hated how much the vocals reminded me of Damon Albarn.
They already made that album. Now they are going to do some different things as all good artists should. Gang of Losers was let down a bit by it's production but i've grown to love that album. Just a great band. Always on the outside, always different and passionate.
The Dears are, essentially, a progressive rock band.
I hate progressive rock. Or, at least, I hate 70s prog rock. I hate Pink Floyd. I hate Genesis. I hate Yes. Etc.
Of course, progressive rock has transformed and lived on, and so there's heaps of stuff coming out in the 00s that you could call prog rock, but which doesn't sound anything like Pink Floyd.
The Dears' No Cities Left (and esp. the Protest EP) is a post-prog rock kind of prog rock. Like the original prog rockers, it draws on jazz, the orchestration of classical, even blues rock, but it also draws on 80s and 90s influences (The Smiths, notably). It mixes its prog rock ethos on an Indie palette (or something; I'm terrible with metaphors).
Post-NCL, though, the Dears have sounded like they're drawing straight from the original prog rockers and their contemporaries.
I noticed it originally with Gang of Losers, where I couldn't shake the feeling that the album was a very strange easy listening album (strange, because it added some harsh layers or moments to the easy listening base). I kept thinking: Fleetwood Mac, Genesis, even the Commodores, maybe a bit of Bowie.
With Degeneration Street, I get the same feeling: I hear Pink Floyd, a bit of Bowie again, a bit of Fleetwood Mac again. I'm not talking specific melody lines, or chord progressions or whatever, but rather a certain set of sounds (a sonics) subject to a certain kind of orchestration.
To my ears, then, the big differences between NCL and the post-NCL albums are (1) the lack of any reference to an 80s/90s Indie sonics in the latter; and (2) the feeling that the latter don't so much draw from Jazz, etc. as prog rock is wont, as they draw straight from the 70s prog rockers themselves (and the 70s more broadly).
tl;dr. You're over-thinking it. What a load of wank, etc., etc.
NCL was more sprawling, while their work since has been more streamlined, and...dare i say it..."pop" (as you said, all about the *songs*). but i think that makes NCL more proggy...?
and i do think there are some "indie sonics" still present, at least in the brit guitar rock sense. i will yet again bring up patrick krief's signature guitar work - i'd describe it as very classic rock - because the more prominent role he played in the writing of the new album could have something to do with what you're hearing.
i found this (old) article quite insightful:
the lead guitar is very "classic rock". That's a big part of it.
None of this is to say that I dislike the new album; it's just a way of trying to make sense of why it doesn't thrill me as NCL did.
Without having read this thread, I sent an email about this to a mate yesterday. It said "did you listen their new album yet? wow. seriously, wow".
Definitely the most appropriate repsonse to hearing this.
Borderline on sale today, and Manchester Ruby Lounge, not sure if more are planned.
So excited to see them again, it's been far too long!
I think they might have done one London gig for Missiles (might have been the only UK date) which I'm kicking myself for missing. Haven't seen them since Glasto 06 when they played the Other Stage.
that the album isn't out here until March 14th :(
apr 18 as well i think
Is there a separate Hoxton one too, or just venue confusion?
Bought a ticket, yay!
Didn't they sell out Koko a few years ago?
Only on first listen but the above excitment seems pretty justified. Production sounds great.
i can't quite believe that they got it back :D
a 6something on pitchfork and instead it gets a 2 point fucking four.
Boo! Hiss! etc
I haven't heard the album yet (it's sitting on my iPod waiting to be listened to) but the user reviews have been solid so far.
I guess the Fork disagrees. Shit.
check it out here: http://youtu.be/7wR35XQPIXo
what do you all think?
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