Think it is only the 1st album that needs remastering though
that's what you do with reissues. Coming Up still sounds amazing and is some of the best production from that era. Dog Man Star is actually a somewhat flawed production but it ended up adding to the fragmented glamour of that masterpiece. I for one am absolutely thrilled and have been begging for this to be announced for some time. Brett said it was the complete recorded output of the band so it will be great to have all the b-sides with the albums as well as some un-released rarities. Here's hoping people will buy these and maybe even re-discover some of the better moments of the underrated Head Music.
I really hope they put the piano version of "My Insatiable One" in the bonus tracks for the 1st album, that's lovely.
Am I missing some massive advances in audio technology here? Albums from the '90s, which were released for CD in the first place, shouldn't be needing remastered and, if they did, how about free upgrades for the people who bought them the first time. "Sorry we fucked up the mastering first time round, but we've done it properly now. You, however, as the loyal fan, will be the one who reimburses us for the thousands of pounds we wasted doing it wrong. That'll be another £10 please." Pffft.
I would say there have been advances in audio technology since 92/93. The 1st album doesn't sound great now, and the remastered tracks from that album on the recent compilation sounded much better i thought.
I am severely disappointed in the sound of these Suede reissues. I received the batch of Butler albums in the mail yesterday and have got around to listening to them fairly extensively. With a collection of basically all the material and a DVD to boot, I was looking forward to having this set.
The most obvious example is the song Pantomime Horse, which is perhaps my favorite Suede song. On my original 1993 CD, the music just ebbs and flows. The dynamic burst of energy in the chorus is utterly brilliant -- Butler's guitar riffs commands attention and dominates everything else in the mix aside from Brett's vocals. On the 2011 remaster, however, this dynamic energy just falls flat and fails to convince as everything else in the mix becomes forced to compete with this amount of energy. The impact of Simon's drums are subdued on the remasters and Mat's bass often gets mixed into a blob of low frequencies. Note that I did these comparisons and most of my listening on a stereo -- not audiophile grade, but of good quality.
I advise anyone who plans to purchase this set to hang onto your original copies. The remastering is simply disappointing for a set which contained so much promise and failed to deliver. I'm no longer a believer in remasters; although there are few good ones out there in which the engineers actually took advantage of the opportunity and improved the sound immensely. I strongly believe that if you want Suede CDs to sound as good as they can, just invest in modern digital equipment (CD players, DACs, which have the latest chipsets) rather than a hack mastering job. The only recent remaster I'd recommend buying is the Durutti Column's "Vini Reilly" , released by Kooky Records last year, which actually has much improved sound quality over its original. It's quite sad I can't say the same for this batch of Suede reissues. Oh well, at least I still have the 90s CDs.
Hmm....i've only got the debut album so far. Sounded pretty good to me
The annoying thing is the more I listened to it the more Brett's vocals sounded thin and lower in the mix. It seems the remastering took much of the "warmth" out; it's too compressed and overly-EQed, heavy on the bass and treble. Can't comment on the Coming Up remaster as I wanted to buy that one too but I'm stopping here.
I will say that Whipsnade is one of my favorite b-sides from them and it often gets overlooked IMO. I thought that when I first heard it a couple years ago when I bought the "We are the Pigs" single. Everyone talked about the brilliance of Killing of a Flashboy, which is great, but Whispande is a real sleeper...
but cd's on an average sounded much better then. Less dynamic range compression so if they are in fact remastering these releases I can't see why they wouldn't sound worse. Most likely they'll just compress to shit, bring up levels until it's loud enough to deafen, then EQ some bass boost like the majority of remasters. What a waste. You should have to pay for it again though because you already bought the original product and presumably listened to it so you obviously didn't have a problem with it. It's not like there was a remastering problem that caused the music not to be heard. When Ford releases a new Mustang every year with some changes they don't replace all of the old ones their customers own.
but then I guess it's supposed to sound like that.
for the 'Best Of', didn't they? (With barely any discernible difference.)
Even as a big fan I don't really get the point of it except to pull in a few new fans. Might be interesting for the interviews but mainly if Bernard is interviewed, which I doubt he will be...
but I can't think of any good Earthly reason why anyone would want to buy the remastered version of A New Morning...
on A New Morning. And because it will most likely have a bonus disc of b-sides which were more fun and interesting then the album itself. Also because it's part of Suede's history. A flawed and disappointing swansong but not without a place at the table.
And mix it up to make an album from the songs A New Morning should have included. Every Suede fan's favourite game.
Posted by: brett anderson
Date: January 24, 2011 10:40AM
just so you all know, there's no tracklisting yet because we're still in the middle of compiling and still don't know for sure what will be on the records. of course we want to find the best and most interesting stuff but there are always limitations to these things in terms of ownership/ quality/ space on the cds etc. today , me and Neil are sifting through dusty old boxes to see what we can find for the HM/ AMN era. last week us and Richard pretty much sorted the CU stuff out. we found a great old rehearsal cassette of an unreleased song called Motown which might end up seeing the light of day. i really want to try and include one unreleased track per album but i hope you'll appreciate i can't make stuff materialise if it never existed in the first place.
on thursday, Bernard and myself will be going through the same process with the first two albums.
all this archeology has been a lot of fun for me. when it's all finalised you will be the first to know.
now , where on earth did i put that demo of Music Like Sex?
according to play.com.
i'd like a DVD of the Love And Poison film for a start.
'Love and Poison' is pretty much a flawless concert film & performance for Suede at that time. My VHS copy is just gathering dust without a player.
Nah. The music is great (and christ, the clothes!), but one of the cameramen needed shooting as they'd obviously just figured out how to use the zoom.
There's a lot to look forward to in these re-issues, but I doubt the DVDs will be life changing. Will be interesting to hear their first single and demos for the first album, and please God, let them release the long version of The Asphalt World. Whether there'll be an audible difference in sound quality... I don't know. I'd like to think with the benefit of twenty years of hindsight they'd do a little extra tinkering with the mix as well as dialling everything to 11.
Brett, Matt and Simon sitting around in black shirts reminiscing in bored tones - "Never liked that one much" blah blah, 'coz that's basically what the 'Lost In TV' interviews/commentary was and boy was that dull...
of these albums?
Demon Music Group’s Edsel label is immensely proud to announce the acquisition of the license for the Suede catalogue. The first releases will be the re-issues of all five studio albums as Deluxe 2CD + DVD Editions in digipaks in June 2011, the first time that these hugely influential albums have been re-issued. All the packages are being put together with the full involvement of all current band members and Bernard Butler.
These Deluxe Editions will feature:
* the non-album b-sides (including many not previously compiled)
* demos from the collections of Brett Anderson, Bernard Butler, and Richard Oakes, including several previously unreleased songs
* DVDs featuring the videos for all the singles, and appropriate concert footage
And the 28 page booklets will contain:
* brand new, specially-written notes by Brett Anderson
* the lyrics for all the songs, including the b-sides
* Brett’s original hand-written lyric drafts
* studio tracking sheets where available
* previously unpublished photos from the collections of both the band and their friends
I'll definitely get 'Suede' and 'Dog Man Star' anyway...
announced tomorrow, it says here rather grandly:
pretty exciting if you're a fan!
Definitely going to have to buy at least Suede and Dog Man Star.
The Suede and Dog Man Star ones are musts - surprised by how comprehensive they are.
Even tempted by the others given the extra songs and DVD footage.
Original, unedited versions of 'The Wild Ones' and 'The Asphalt World'... These sound like the much-talked about originals on which Butler had alternate endings/noodled on much longer. Here's hoping...
I wasn't that excited when they were first announced, but I had no idea they were going to pull out all of these hidden gems PLUS full concerts on the DVD. June is going to be expensive!
They're definitely worth it for the extra tracks and full concerts featuring Butler. Amazing.
evidence why this format can never die
This looks great, the only downside is that i will have to throw away my copies of Sci-fi Lullabies and Lost on Tv plus and all the original albums
you might get someone to pay 1 cent for them.
also great to read that Love And Poison is coming out on DVD at last!
i didn't spot this until someone on the Suede forum pointed it out, but that gig that features on the Dog Man Star dvd from Paris in November 93 was the first time ever that the songs from DMS were performed and aside from a few dates in the UK in 94 pretty much the only time Butler played them EVER. he walked the following spring. talk about historical!
seriously these look like best DVD/cd repackages i've ever seen. they've obviously taken their cue from the triple disc Manics' ones for The Holy Bible and Everything Must Go. they were amazing too.
from those commentaries is that they don't like videos. I think they only said positive things about So young and We're the pigs.
Maybe Butler didn't want Oakes to appear on a video for his song. Surely he can hold a grudge.
People should lay off Butler now. He's more than buried the hatchet via The Tears and all the remastering he's done with Brett, plus the forthcoming interviews about his work on the albums. At the end of the day, the 1st 2 albums (his albums) are untouchable; the next 3, not so...
the first two look amazing!
they were a bloody amazing live band back in the day. amazes me how young they were too.
I think somewhere in existence is a studio recording/demo of On/Off (or Music Like Sex as it's also known). That doesn't appear anywhere does it?
on these deluxe remasters, right here on 7Digital:
Shit, i guess i will have to get at least the first two.
on 'SUEDE' but I recently got the vinyl version and it just seems a lot clearer. Still prefer dog man star though
sound worse than the originals.
Not trolling, I've just never really paid attention to them - used to occasionally hear a song, think "Hmmm, Bowie-lite" and tune out. Are they really better than that?
The thing I remember most about Suede is seeing a photo of Brett Anderson in some music magazine, styling at the microphone with his hair all floppy and his cheeks sucked in, and the caption was "Onan the Librarian".
So anyway: persuade me they're better than that.
In my opinion, their first three albums are fantastic. Head Music is good. A New Morning is... well, we won't go there.
I can see why some people can't see what the fuss is about Suede or never pay them any mind. For example, Brett Anderson gets a lot of shit for his lyrics and sometimes even us most devoted Suede fans can't help but poke fun at the council estates in the beautiful nuclear rain.
Musically, Suede has a lot to offer. Original guitarist Bernard Butler owes a lot to Johnny Marr. Think the Smiths' jangly guitars, but darker. Both Butler and Richard Oakes are great guitarists. The solo from "The Asphalt World" is phenomenal but beneath all of the show, most Suede songs follow the same basic chord progressions of other pop/rock groups. That's one of the things I've always liked about them -- they write good pop songs and then throw strings and epic (but not heavy metal epic) guitar riffs over them.
I guess some people can't get past the camp image that Suede had when they first hit in the early '90s, but the band really did mature, for better or worse, by the time they split in the early 2000s. I'm (obviously) a Suede fan girl so I'm quite partial, but give them a chance and see if you like what you hear. Start with the self-titled debut, Dog Man Star, and the b-side collection Sci-Fi Lullabies.
I don't think so. Maybe crepe.
That will be great