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and yeah... it's pretty fucking sick.
From what i've heard it's going to be an absolute killer.
Rolling Stone gave it 5 stars, and the fork will wanna show they like it more than them. 9.4
but I'll have to agree, something around 9.5
When he makes what pitchfork claims is the greatest album of all time, Kanye and Radiohead!
and you just have to admire the ambition of this album, it's not like 808s where he's forcing expermentation this all feels naturual and melodic with nice instrumental breaks and as an album is super tight... nothing feels out of place
I mean the sheer fact a album made up of mostly 6 minute + rap songs *rap songs that go on past 4mins usual drag IMHO* and make it sound so convincing and strong is no mean feat. And I'm not even on about the odd song... the whole album is full of them and it just sounds so complete.
I never thought Kanye would top his first 2 albums and thought he might just start producing mediocre albums but I'm genuinely impressed with this album and I'm sure the reviews for this will be nothing short of GLOWING.
It is going to be his magnum opus, I bet.
Or have you lot just done a naughty DL?
and you lot are very bad people. Brightonb would not be impressed.
I can understand the excitement to hear it but I'm gonna wait for it to be out properly. It's like getting a cake out of the oven and then chowing down on the semi-raw mixture otherwise.
before your birthday in that it is the same cake, the raw mixture analogy would be for if the leaked version of something isn't finished yet (eg. unmixed).
I probably wouldn't have listened to anything else
apart from that one nicki minaj verse. so i hope his album is nothing like that.
These were 3 absolute standouts from GOOD Fridays, and the former 2 are probably the weakest tracks on the album. They've all been reworked to some extent, and the album really makes an impact.
What ever you think about Kanye West you just have to admire his ambition. He's by far the best mainstream artist making music, imo.
but I still essentially stand by it.
I don't think Pitchfork's rating isn't going to be as high as you'd think given the blanket coverage and pretty unequivocal love he gets on the news pages.
because that wasn't the actual album
although I've been following GOOD Friday's and heard all the stuff that was in the Runaway film.
It's more a trend I've noticed with Pitchfork reviews.
I'm sure the album's great. Haven't heard anything I've disliked yet.
and I don't think that's just imo. This album will surely be better.
I hope I enjoy it, cos I haven't enjoyed something of Kanye's for a long while, and the man is a complete tool.
Stamp it... MAN-LAW
on what half the album's track reviews are getting I think its gna be the closest to a 10 from P4K in quite a while.
If you think it's ">8.0", by your reckoning every reviewer should be giving it between 8.1 and 8.9, which is a pretty small margin.
Maybe, though - and i'm really just throwing this one out there - people have different opinions of it, so some might give it 7, others 10?
(They also gave it 9.2, not 9.0)
rather that you made a silly statement which suggested you think all reviewers should have given it more than 8.0/10 (">8.0, though), but it being rated 9.0 is unjust ("It's a great CD, but not 9.0").
On a 100-point scale, it is not likely that you will agree with their scores all the time. Don't worry, that's okay.
ffs .... a 9 or a 10 is sufficient.
It's all fucking subjective so the wankery of such rating is a bit moot.
two hip-hop records fighting it out for p4ks album of the year.
he did? Man, that was bad. The only good thing to come from it was that he showed off the cd packaging, which looks prime time.
Gonna wait to hear it till I get the physical, although I've probably heard about half the songs already.
It's bustling with so many ideas and guest appearance which work so well in the context of the album. Take the opening track, Dark Fantasy. The beat and flow are so slick and cocky, then the quirky 'Can we get much higher...oh oh oh oh oh oh oh ohhh' refrain..and it works.
All of the Lights is pretty spectacular but I can't help but thinking it may well have been the most epic hip hop track in a long time had he utilised all the guest artists better. There's a full verse from a M.I.A. soundalike and all Alicia Keys does is a little warble. Promised so much, shame the result isn't as mind-blowing as it could've been.
Brilliant listen all around and it's left the sampling game wide open.
I'm predicting a 9.3 from p4k and album of the year
I FUCKING LOVE KANYE WEST
since i saw that runaway performance on the VMA i was intrigued.
then i got copies or runway and lost in the world and got really excited.
AND NOW THIS....my fucking god it is exceptional. The flows, the ideas, the samples are excellent. Who will survive in america short as it may be, is an awesome example of intelligent beats with a wicked sample.
I don't like monster - meh, and jaz-z should not be contributing on this album. As someone said earlier he has lost it and his flows and wordplay are so weak in his verses it hurts.
really really cant. cant find a decent link, got one censored (?!?! :( ), loads of GOOD Friday compilations mislabelled, and everything else just taken down.
maybe its a sign i should wait. but i dont want to. HINT.
maybe this is a sign that you could google it?
the beats are really intricate
it fucks with the boundaries of what mainstream hip hop can be, and will hopefully lead to a lot more artists and producers making progressive hip hop music.
without having heard a single track off it (bar maybe Power once).
On my second listen and though I don't know if it'll top College Dropout (will be exceedingly hard), this feels like a landmark record, within the realm of hip-hop or beyond. Kanye's audacity, scope and craft are something to be really cherished.
It doesn't feel like a rap record at all! It's like a proper hip-hopera (sorry)
I had no idea what to expect, and I was kinda baffled. But I went to bed last night absolutely buzzing. A mate came round to my room to listen to the final three tracks and I played him Monster and Runaway too. He was as surprised and enthusiastic as me.
Haven't been this into an album in years, no joke. He's the greatest pop star of our generation. It's beyond hip hop.
This shit just got REAL
Only bad bits are Nicki Minaj doing that stupid English accent at the very start, and Chris Rock ruining the song with John Legend. That cameo seems completely pointless, and whenever I hear his voice without a face I just think of that Zebra from Madagascar- bit weird.
Even if I wanted to stop listening to it (which I don't) the fact that my repeat function starts that bit as soon as the album finishes means i'm listening to the whole thing again every time.
the chris rock part could do one
I do have a sort of irrational (rational?) hatred for Nicki Minaj which may explain it. That song is one of my favourites on the album though, aside from that bit- when the 'Can we get much higher' bit comes in it makes me want to stand up and put my hands in the air a la Shawshank Redemption / Jesus. Uplifting stuff.
Her album is utterly underwhelming though
Thats probably the only thing shes ever done that I liked though.
apart from the verse on monster which is seriously one of the best things ever.
see: Crunk Juice
It's actually now even funnier, imagining the zebra from Madagascar asking someone "who re-upholstered your pussy?"!
It's alright, but it really just falls back into basic hip hop music with the rythems and melodies being really quite basic a lot of it doesn't seem to have much flow.
it's great but not perfecto i rank it 3rd best kanye after two or three listens
this is FUCKING PERFECT
a huge fan of Devil In A New Dress, there were other GOOD Friday tracks that were way better that could have filled this slot. Also, I wish RZA had gotten a bigger slot on So Appalled. Other than that, it's perfect, definite contender for album of the year.
A few months ago I wouldn't have given this a second's thought, but now it's one of my most anticipated released of the year. Roll on tomorrow :)
What further evidence do you need that it's great
They're not huge Kanye fans normally either.
Easily one of my favourite songs this year, to have that many people on a track and it not sound like a total mess is an achievement in itself! The beat is just so fucking good, sounds like a pumped up juke beat.
Monster is incredible as well, especially Nicki Minaj's verse, best part of the album for sure. It's amazing how Runaway and Blame Game can be so long but still hold attention. Considering I gave up on Kanye a long time ago I'm so glad to be proved wrong in this instance - I've listened to this record so much the past week and I don't see it getting old any time soon - my housemate says it's 'too epic' and it doesn't sound like an album but as far as I'm concerned that's a good thing, I can come back to certain tracks one at a time and still enjoy them.
I can't wait to hear this!
now everyone is going to give this a perfect score, which it in no way deserves
Because almost nothing does. But the point is that this is so far ahead of anything released this year that they must've felt they had to demonstrate that. It's a 9.6 / 9.7, now let's wait for the inevitable backlash to happen. He's got plenty of haters, and let's face it, the reasons people don't like him aren't going to be dispelled by this album. If you like him though, it's indespensible.
that it didn't get a 10.1
But it's probably more of a 10.0 than Source Tags & Codes.
If this didn't hit the 10.0 then what would do? No album is perfect, its just their way of screaming HYPE.
And tbh it's a pretty safe bet. This album IS going to be seen as a classic and a landmark, and even Rolling Stone can see that.
Like a 9.4/5 or something, which it deserves
im a bit hesitant to expect a true 9-10/10 album here. lets see...
I'll actually go out and buy this album.
discussion the internet has ever had*. ah, go on then.
people will no doubt criticise this for as a stunt for "creating hype"; this is the same website who hasn't given a perfect score in almost 9 years to a new record; to criticise them on those grounds would be suggesting they should never give a score like that. I'd say a bona-fide classic landmark record comes along at least that often, and few could argue this isn't. And this way a perfect 10 really means something; something that all too many publications are
And like any review, fair enough compare it to your own personal opinion, but don't judge the quality of said review on that. If it justifies the scores it gives (which no-one can argue this doesn't) and is well-written, that's all that matters.
then i could go on to talk about something half-thought out musings on objectivity but it's pretty early.
*yep i realise i'm taking this boring discussion more seriously than anyone so far. and i really really really hate myself.
People in the media can stop saying that hip hop is dead. This is an awesome album, future classic for sure, who cares what P4K gives it.
However, consider: barring re-issued records, the last thing to get a 10.0 was Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, over 8 years ago. They hand them out a lot for re-issues of albums that became classic over time, but they just don't give it to new records.
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is going to be seen as a classic, and it may be one of the first in awhile to feel as though it should be remembered as such. The album is today's most prominent rapper, completely and totally on his game, pushing the envelope more than anybody has in years.
No, Pitchfork doesn't matter. No review site really does. But the fact that some picky indie snobs in Chicago heard this and dropped their jaws this much...means something. There's change in the wind, and we should all be ready for it.
not a 10, but think it will end up a 9 for a bit. There are some "Age Of Adz" type bits, where pointless studio tracks are hiding a lack of a hook/idea and taken as an excuse to extend a track by 2/3 minutes too much, but there are also some BRILLIANT songs (Devil In A New Dress, Who Will Survive In America). I'm a sucker for snappy drums, clinky pianos and high-pitched samples though.
I mean, I don't have to review it so I have no intention of deciding upon a rating, but 'pointless studio tracks' strikes me as the most obvious flaw... like for me, the first track, Dark Fantasy, just very obviously goes on at least a minute too long, like he's so proud of the hook that he has to beat it into the ground or something.
i've christened this an Adz-ism.
its a weak track to start off with imo. the middle 3rd is incredible.
I think it's probably something that'll see the album drop a little in people's eyes in the long run. But the bombast is all part of the fun for now, and it nice to get excited about a big record.
splitting lost in the world and who will survive in america into two tracks. gotta be a 9.9, then, bros.
Can you guess the score?
It's been written numerous times above
yeah it's pretty good. probably a high 8.
runaway is awesome.
Its like when I found out Hayley is a transsexual on corrie.
I can't imagine ever wanting to listen to anything else ever again!
OMG A 10.0 WHAT DOES IT MEAN? INTENSE.
Fuck it. It's a classic mainstream album, how often does that even happen?
it's not even as good as college dropout or late registration
but we'll see how this one ages. i love love loved CD and LR when they came out, but rarely listen to them in their entirety anymore. i can imagine myself spinning MBDTF end to end in several years time because it is more consistent and atmospheric.
The more I listen to it, the more I think what a complete album it is. Complete because its the same guy heading the awesome production and the same rapper spitting these rhymes.
Kanye manages to infuse verses from heavy-hitting rappers, past (RZA, Raekwon, Jay-Z) and present (Nicki Minaj, Kid Cudi). Some great verses contributed but they just pale when compared with the beat they're spitting over. It's like each rapper is lifting their own game to come close to what Kanye has gifted them with. That's how far ahead of the game he is. Minaj's verse on Monster is pretty excellent by her own standards (high or low, whatever you choose) but it would be nothing without the tribal-sounding sample and killer beat, as well as Kanye's amazing verse and vocal hook. As he says himself: "think you motherfuckers really need to cool down cause you will never get on top of this. So mommy's best advice is just to get on top of this."
Kanye has made an epic hip-hop record. No nothing's perfect but this is as close to hip-hop perfection as I've heard. It's as though he's mocking everything that's currently out there by gifting us with a record oozing with ideas and craft that nobody else has.
Now it's up to the rest to follow, but I don't think anyone can come near.
Not to mention the other 12 tracks.
This is awesome. Well done, Kanye.
craig's cuntfork score 0.8
but going by every other kanye song ive ever heard, i'd rather hear the sound of the ambulance im travelling in after having had a stroke, than hear anything by that fucking plamph.
my loss would be if i was knocked down and lost an arm
or i dropped my wallet
not hearing kanye west again, ever, will be a reward of which any suicide bomber could only dream of
has that been discussed?
Though I hate hearing people use the word 'pussy' in songs. It makes me feel a bit sick.
favourite lyrics on the record? God knows there are a few good 'uns
eeehhhh you ever had sex with a pharaoh
I put the pussy in a sarcophagus
now she claimin' that I bruised her oesophagus
Pretty much the whole of that verse. And especially the bizarre Leona Lewis reference.
"And the same people try to blackball me forgot about two things, my black balls" is pretty spectacular too.
On a bathroom wall I wrote...
"I'd rather argue with you then to be with someone else"
I took a piss and dismissed it and I went and found somebody else.
Fuck arguing or harvesting feelings yo I'd rather be by my fucking self
Until about 2am and I call back and I hang up, and I start to blame myself-
I hadn't noticed that before. fuck.
Looked like a big booty Celine Dion/sex is on fire/I'm the king of leon-a lewis.
THIRTY WHITE BITCHES
YOU KNOW THIS SHIT IS
especially when delivered by RZA
OH NO HE DI'UNT
Some of the haters might find this interesting
it reads a bit like 'I don't agree with other critics & they are wrong for THIS reason'
The vast majority of the media seem to enjoy it, critics from vastly different backgrounds seem to love it, the general internet community seem to love it but apparently it's because we're all kidding ourselves.
It's been said before, but I think we live in an age where there are always going to be these kind of instant backlashes. Something with the resonance of a 10.0 from Pitchfork is always going to have an equal and opposite reaction from a similarly 'reputable' source, and I quite like that.
To be fair the author offers quite a balanced argument - he's only really *suggesting* that the press may have been drawn in by their own hype (as well as Kanye's). I haven't had a proper listen so can't really comment, but it seems like the whole thing's being treated as a novelty by some people. Which isn't to say that it's not a great album - just that people are talking more about the score from an indie website than are discussing the record itself. It's odd, and it's a self-made myth they created by marking out of 100 - 10 times more 'precise', in theory. Odd.
Anyway, er, I've thought about this too much.
unless of course it's Jet
But yeah the hype pre-dates any publications review RE: This thread
Yeah it's kind of interesting to watch from the distance I suppose... the Last.fm walls and such could be quite entertaining reads for the next few weeks.
can anyone find a different one!?!?!
It's pretty funny that all the criticism has been leveled at the fact that the interludes and instrumental sections, in fact, exist. And just by existing, they bring the album down. How the fuck could you not love that crazy vocorder at the end of Runaway? And when it runs into Hell Of a Life, fuck.
All Of The Lights feels like a hug and a punch in the face at the same time, and the beat is evidence that Kanye's been listening to dubstep. Maybe the most moving thing he's composed yet
Two huge posse cuts right in the middle of the record??? AND IT WORKS!
Elton John singing backup, Rae showing up on the end of a track, just to rip shit up, Jay on two tracks in a row, Chris Rock shows up in one of the dark parts, and I don't really notice Kid Cudi (which is the way I like it)
It's been fun watching indie bedwetters react in fear and confusion to the Pitchfork score, but all I want to do for the rest of my life is listen to this fucking album.
does he do much rapping on this one? If not i might give it a listen
and it is excellent. Fascinating to hear him juggling everything he's tried thus far at once.
HOW YE DOIN? I'M SURVIVING, I WAS DRINKING EARLIER, NOW I'M DRIVING
YEEZY TAUGHT ME
his flow and lyrics are just so much stronger then they where in the past, I know it improved quite a bit during Graduation era but now he doesn't sound merely competent he sounds convincing *not great, but coupled with his great production he is now a true all rounder*
but his bit after the guitar solo his brilliant. the only way to have made it better would have been to get the Mars Volta in and put a five-minute jam in the middle.
Interesting comparison with Aquemini. I am getting this after work today.
comes the Big Boi album and now this. Damn it's good. Who cares if the internet likes it a bit too much?
No, you ARE traffic.
maddening. for all his attempts at making a Thriller as well
in terms of both albums and singles. 808s didn't break the top ten on its released and Kanye hasn't had a hit single since "Stronger", which was his biggest hit at #1.
I wouldn't be surprised if MBDTF doesn't get in the top 10 here in the UK whilst selling a million plus in the US (Taylor Swift just sold a million in the US, so its possible).
To be fair, the situation seems to be true of most major US hip-hop artists and there's plenty of American artists who are undoubtedly massive but remain essentially cult personalities without any major chart clout, the biggest example being Lil Wayne.
...but my flatmates, who are normally pretty interested in stuff like this have actively been put off by the good reviews. Sicofancy was the word they used. Sadly a lot of people just hate him & wouldn't care if he actually released the greatest album of all time. Unfortunately I think that's fairly typical. Plus he's hardly been all over radio has he? So that just leaves the people who already liked him & the über curious. Which is sad as I genuinely believe it's great.
what a track, the wind section makes me think of bjork, specially her last album, just such a track, had a huge smile first time i listened to it
gets better and better with every listen
i just can't listen to anything else at the mo
he's a dick, but he's made one of the best albums of the year
It's an absolutely superb album, one of the best from the past few years.
Which makes this second, incredibly negative one even odder.
but that should have never been printed.
it's always had terrible musical writers. Not breaking out of the mould here.
it's unputdownable. like a good book
KANYE'S ALBUM IS A GOOD BOOK
but the fact remains i am 'un''able' to 'put' it 'down' halfway through or so
maybe it's cos it's a flipping class album or maybe i'm just lazy
I'm pretty sure i'm not going to listen to anything else for a while. I am also about 90% sure it's going to top my year-end list.
I can confirm that MBDTF is one of these albums
probably a different 3 tho.
It's a lovely bit of packaging
but fuck me, this shit is fucking ridiculous. Great production
its overblown and boring.
and that runaway film..
34 minutes of kanye running/meteor crashing crap.
egoist hip hop singer searching for inner truth. so what?
...she said you are what you eat.
except you just listened to some clips. it might not be your thing, but its a hard stretch to say it's awful.
Started realising the Chris Rock part is probably the most depressing thing ever
that by "depressing" I don't mean "bad", but "it oddly breaks my heart". Particularly when he says "I can't believe you got me this watch!" Utterly desolate and affecting. This album has so many levels, JUST LIKE HER PUSSY.
First impressions after a couple of listens..it's a good album but not as great as I was expecting. I'd place it below 'The College Dropout' and 'Graduation' if I was ranking his albums. The production is too maximalist for my liking, I prefer my rap music to be minimalist and menacing. Also his personality is not as likeable or as engaging as it is on 'The College Dropout'.
stick around, some real feelings might surface
it's nice enough to listen to, but i don't see how this is being picked out as some epoch defining masterpiece. It's a rapper (who, as we can all agree, is an utter cretin) experimenting with some more elaborate musical structures and talking about how much of a dickwad he is. I can see that people are falling for the pathos, but you can have the pathos without the cretiny. And boy, is there some serious cretiny on this album
it might be a bit douchey to say this is the rap album for the overly neurotic indie kids, who wish they had the bravado that Kanye has on top of their own self doubt. To me it's just a prize bellend making some quite good music
and I wish I was that mental.
I don't think he's saying anything new, and as a rapper he's not all that...I don't know, it just works.
He's wildly entertaining, in a ridiculous way.
But as far as the actual rapping, most of it is kind of average.
His flow is pretty fucking ridiculous these days, and the lyrics are always engaging if not mind blowing.
I guess it's just harder to appreciate it as a rap album than something like the Big Boi album, which is pretty much on it flow and lyric wise 100% of the time.
He's way underrated. Obviously andre is better, but their are only a handful that truly outshine him IMO
But when there both rapping? Big Boi doesn't compare, Andre is a genius.
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I see what y'all saying about the epic production - it is colossal - but the trouble is I feel that they use it in the wrong places. After that huge intro the record has nowhere to go, and Kanye's vocals come in sounding like a squirrel 'yeahing' into a shoe box. It takes until 'Power' for the balance to be got right.
The other thing you're all right about are the guest spots being on the whole great. They really are. So much so in fact, that Kanye's bits seem a bit drab afterwards.
Plus I know hip hop records have never had the ability to exercise quality control, but about 4 tracks go on a verse too long, and there are at least 2 tracks I'd lose.
I like lots of it, don't get me wrong. There are some great moments on it, and anybody who references South Park is a winner in my book but I struggle to see all these 'ideas' you guys are banging on about personally. Madlib rapped about his pregnant wife's dietary requirements. Now THAT my friends is progress.
Overall I can't help feeling like it's another one of those 'busy' records where it seems amazing at first due to the production values, and then gets shown up for being merely very decent after a few listens. See also records by: BSS / Animal Collective / Janelle Monae / ...Trail of dead
But 'Monster' is a monster.
I bought this yesterday with (very) high expectations; i thought it would be like nothing i've ever heard. While it starts incredibly, with Minaj's brilliantly punctuated intro and great production on 'Dark Fantasy', the next song is less outstanding; 'Gorgeous' seems to just drag and not develop. 'Power', though definitely not my favourite, is an obvious stand out taking, taking hints from Girl Talk and MIA imo.
My favourites 'Monster', 'Lost In The World' and 'See Me Now' all contain there own winning features; strength, great production, great lyrics and BRILLIANT cameos. Nicki Minaj maintains her popularity with me in 'Monster', and Jay Z and Beyonce take turns to satisfy. 'See Me Now' is my favourite of the moment as it is the most reflective of Late Registration - my favourite Kanye venture. It's lyrics about Philosophy, Mythology and Monolopy please me each time and the riff is (one of) the strongest on the album.
Parts of the album are a little off; the Interlude is a bit weak and 'Gorgeous' is frankly dull, and so despite supplying brilliant production and tunes on first listen, this will take a lot more time to get right into.
I'm feeling a high 7, light 8 atm, but this is subject to change as i haven't heard it enough.
But give it time and it should grow on you. The thing is it isn't quite like any other hip hop album, but it's also completely grounded in hip hop's sampling roots - therefore pushing at the boundaries, without going off on a tangent (like, for example, Alopecia - which pushed boundaries, but ended up sounding like a (fantastic) indie rock record)
no one noticed how poorly mastered this album is? Most of it sounds like its clipping, and the 'choppy' vocals in some parts are supposedly intentional (I thought it was skipping), but I find them irritating. I love the album though, but this is far from perfect production wise.
I don't really like anything by him until 808s. Not really given them the time of day. But this... this shit is totally of the charts. It's ridiculous. Quite amazed by almost every track. the ones i hated at first play are now the ones i expectantly want to hear over and over now.
after watching Dave Chapelle's Block Party and I think the guy's lost it. I mean he was pretty self-important even then, but he had stage presence and there was a sense of soulfulness about his music. I have to agree with Zapsta (I have no idea if he's just trolling here, judging by other's reactions), but this hasn't aged well at all, and the 808 and heartbreaks album even worse . Listen to Big Boi's album from the same year or even the Curren$y album -- so much better
It absolutely kills MBDTF (and I really like MBDTF)
Agree re Kanye's ego too - slow steady decent from the seemingly affable dude that did College Dropout to one of the most insufferable people on the planet. Still manages to make good records, though (except for Watch the Throne - that was fucking garbage)
Listen to it like once a week