Your are viewing a read-only archive of the old DiS boards. Please hit the Community button above to engage with the DiS !
A thread inspired by this list http://www.rawkblog.net/2010/10/2010-bands-you-can-ignore-an-exhaustive-list/#more-7397
It's all obviously subjective, I know, but you can pretty much shut your eyes and pick at random an artist on that list that's better than the ones they've suggested they're "not as good as" or whatever.
But in the spirit of the threat title, I can't for the life of me understand the adulation that has gone the way of Best Coast in the last 12 months.
I dont think there is a bad song on their album and the production is perfect, they have got really successful really quickly and no band can ever really live up to expectations when they get that much attention, but if you ignore all that it is a really solid debut, probably my favourite album this year. It is a shame when hype raises expectations and when those arent met something can be perceived as bad when if it werent for those raised expectations it would have probably be perceived as it is pretty good
i don't get Best Coast either. agreeable aesthetic that fits into a trend over great songs, seems to be the way to get coverage nowadays.
best coast have great songs in abundance, simple but great. when im with you will be around for years, our deal sounds like a lost timeless classic from another era, it is a debut album but it could be a greatest hits nearly every song could be a single
anyway, the three he (and anyone else who says them later in the thread) is most wrong about (IMO):
these are all a)amazing, b)for the most part hyped in 2009 and c) amazing.
AND STOP PLAYING ME QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE. I DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO THEM. GRRR.
because it's an 'arsehole' thing to say and elitist and kind of reprehensible but he clearly doesn't 'get' those groups. I have no evidence towards this except he's a twat. And that's good enough for me.
(Incidentally, when this thread is still being revived once a week in March by people can signing up to make their only ever post about how much they hate Mumford & Sons, don't blame me)
The Morning Benders
Lower Dens, Tanlines are straight up, although I was completely nonplussed by the PS I Love You album.
It's basically just a list of new indie bands that he doesn't like. That would have been a better and less conceited title for it.
Though I'm quite happy to ignore most of the blog-o-matic bands at the moment as they don't sound like this:
(which is basically what I want at the moment)
and in particular i wouldn't tell other people not to even bother giving them a listen, as that would propose that i'm some kind of omnipotent music god twat, that knows the minds of his minions... i would definitely have to disagree with Active Child and Gonjasufi as i can't fault them. Teen Daze have some lovely tracks too as i'm sure everything on that list does to someone
There is enough music in the world without people writing and reading about which ones to ignore. Maybe that's the point, but Jesus, that's basically reading one person's list of bands they don't think are as good as a lot of other people seem to think they are.
There's a whole lot more worthy of debate in music.
to be fair, he writes about music he loves 250 days a year (as he points out in a follow-up post)
i think, in an era of data, where popularity = quality, it's important to say "actually, this isn't so good, it's just agreeable or hyped." i think his post follows from a conversation we were having about the 'trouble with blogs' and also, as you can see on here and on twitter and on other blogs, this one blogpost has caused kefuffle and drawn attention to his blog. maybe not for the best reasons but some people might start reading rawkblog, they might then read his brilliant elliott smith section or check out Radio Dept or listen to Jens Lekman, and when you run a blog about the music you love, bringing attention to it, hopefully, brings attention to those acts. time will tell if it backfires.
Then how I could larf and get angry and stuff! A list like that doesn't do anything for me. I agree on a few, disagree on others, and was ultimately underwhelmed by the blog post. Meh.
triple bluff? interesting how seemingly anti-negativity these board has become. DiSsers growing ya'all?
I figure if you hate stuff you haven't really figured out what you love, cos it's pretty consuming.
Figuring out how it's a stance or how it's a bluff won't get you very far.
maybe. but like Dave says in his follow-up post, he posts positively the rest of the year (although can be a snarky bugger on Twitter) but it seems this has sparked debate and made people think about whether negativity is useful anymore. i think some dissident voices force people to be more passionate, as well as questioning of the status quo, which can't be a bad thing, can it? i'd love if everytime someone said "i don't like this..." they followed it up with "because, this is amazing..." but not many people ever expand or offer alternatives (i always try to - see my post re: warpaint and ushering people toward the sundays)
just as long as it's funny or creative - often the funniest stuff is REALLY negative. And it's really useful, you've got to have both.
But all I meant by pro-positive is that I'd prefer to spend time finding out about things I really like, if I don't like something I won't expend too much energy on it.
...on stuff I don't like. There's not always an either/or really (or an Either/Or!). Some stuff is just unbelievably shit in isolation.
I still think negativity has a place in music writing and discussion, but my main problem was just that it was a list of bands who he thought were overrated without a great deal of initial discussion. But it did ignite some discussion, so, y'know...
I mean, I may just be making myself look ignorant here, but - for instance - I don't really know who Suuns are, I don't know who this guy is, and he hasn't actually written an article, he's just said the names of some bands he doesn't like. It's not even like what he's done is particularly negative, it's just some hipster blogger making references to be understood by other hipster bloggers.
I mean, obviously I'm not the target readership, but where an articulate puncturing of the 2010 hype cycle might have been interesting to somebody who wasn't aware of al the bands and didn't know who this chap was, this isn't an article or an argument, it's just somebody taking up space.
i don't disagree. i guess i had the context of knowing he was listening to all the bands people were tweeting about at CMJ and then reading all the New York Times and Pitchfork reports, etc. was more a reaction to that.
it's just one of those things that annoys me about a lot of blogging, that a lot of stuff could be made into writing of value but the author doesn't have the will or the interest, like, I dunno, a lack of pride in the craft of writing, some ballz like that.
really helps form people opinions about music and see different things in stuff you might otherwise not, and as long as you don't take your opinions too seriously, it's all fun, but the problem with this bloke is he doesn't really have any opinions...
and the only thing that that sort of criticism leads to is the 'i haven't really listened to it' school. Which i suppose might have something to do with less immediate stuff (Sun Araw/Julian Lynch mebbe) coming from the same channels (p4k) as accessible stuff like Best Coast and what-have-you, and because there isn't that kind of debate of looking at music and going 'wtf is this meant to do to me' is difficult to always see the element of what hyped bands are being hyped for if you're not familiar with the context and where that music comes from. Which might sound arrogant idk, but if you played a four-year-old Raymond Scott they might enjoy it, but they probably wouldn't understand why it was so musically interesting in context....same with free jazz and stuff.
So anyway, my point is that kind of blog-post closes off debate rather than opening it up and he's a bit of a wally, and Julian Lynch is great:
butthurt indie fan.
but with more rubbish put in between
could be seen as tantamount to a policeman saying ''i spent 364 days this year solving crime so i figured i'd kill someone for a change'' which would i admit also be likely to spark a lively debate. I can accept that he doesn't like the music even that he doesn't give a reason for it, it's the premise of 'don't bother listening to it for yourself' that gets me
but it's also pretty depressing that most people apparently use this to be all HURRR DURRRR SOEMTHInG SUXXXxx
it was just a harmless bit of trolling. the rest of the time he does stuff like this http://www.rawkblog.net/category/elliott-smith/ and http://www.thisisbrandx.com/2010/10/angeleno-invasion-la-bands-rock-manchesters-in-the-city-festival.html
and to be into music
and to be a human being
for every new band DiS champions, we still end up getting 1000% more traffic on slagging off the Kings of Leon or getting into a row with Brian May over Mika. it's utterly depressing that one bit of negativity is worth an infinite amount of positivity. a lot of this has underlined a lot of my issues with what DiS currently is and makes me wonder what it could be in the future. sticking my neck out, running a label felt a trillion times more positive than running a few hundred 6 or 7 outta ten reviews a year. DiS doesn't stick its neck out that much any more, partly because when we do, it's hard for anyone to notice. something has to change, doesn't it?
or having a spat with Brian May is *funny* negativity.
This is just a list of bands he's probably never even listened to.
Cuty Copy? lol
How To Dress Well
There is something really good there, however the recording/production is so poor that it's pretty much unlistenable. I like a bit of lo-fi, but clipping/distorting and being poorly mixed makes it shit. A shame really, everyone else seems to love the shitty sound but personally I think it's awful.
but kind of don't agree- i think the abrasive production is too much to listen to on repeat, but for me that's not the function of the album. I haven't been able to grow old of the album because i can't listen to it time and time again... imo it's one that's good to come back to every now and again
but I tend to agree about the Gonjasufi album. I feel like I should love it given its production roster but I just can't get along with the guy's voice, and I listen to plenty of, er, unorthodox singers. Plus the lyrics for Sheep are some of the worst I've ever heard.
two-thousand and ten.
all the way