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...I wrote a little piece on it.
Spot the deliberate omission.
Gomez won in 1998, by the way.
It came out in 98 and won in 99.
Released: Released 13 April 1998
Mercury Prize Winner: 1998
Definitely not a 'fans only' thing at all.
Portishead are widely accepted as having released three excellent albums, not 'Dummy plus two others'.
I thought that their third was well received.
Um...I dunno if you've only been looking at Smash Hits! magazine, 'cause 'Third' (deservedly) received a ubiquity of stellar reviews.
35 positive reviews (30 of which are 8/10 and above), 2 mixed, 1 negative.
I didn't see much bad-mouthing about the record whatsoever, especially on here.
no need for the petty belligerence.
Simiarly, if you read my last sentence of the prior post it says "I didn't see much bad-mouthing about the record whatsoever, especially on here."
Since when is 6/10 a "damned good kicking"?
You contested that it received decent reviews, I provided supporting evidence to suggest otherwise. Surely the only one with the smug attitude here is you...
You didn't like 'Third'. That's cool, man. You didn't like 'Portishead' as much as 'Dummy'. Hey, that's fine. But y'know...*whisper it* some people did.
That argument is pretty flawed.
...then Metacritic is a pretty good way of showing that it hasn't.
It's not as if it's being used to show that it is in fact 'proved' to be a good record (which would plainly be nonsense), but the subject was in fact the reviews, not the record.
ie: all the discussion I've seen and had about Third is that it was a great record and one of the best of 2008.
THIS IS TRUE YOU CAN'T DISPROVE IT BYE
I saw it. It was discussion on the internet.
Can you prove what you were saying?
Doesn't mean it wasn't generally thought of as a great album. Your argument is flawed - you don't like it, which is fine, but an awful lot of people praised the record.
Q also gave it 3/5, which, I repeat, is not a shite review.
It's got Cowboys on it, which is probably my favorite Portishead track. Really, though, Portishead hasn't done a bad album yet.
Much loved and praised on music sites beyond this one. Always seems to get a mention in the same breath as Screamadelica and XTRMNTR, their golden trio of albums.
For me Portishead Third is much better than Dummy, seems more timeless and, erm, just more brilliant, but then that's just me.
Dog Man Star got 9/10 in NME etc and was pretty much considered to be their best album by some distance then and now. But 6 months after they'd won Bernard left and that was that for the *proper* Suede. It's one of the best examples of there being a curse in the first place.
But the best example is Franz who hit a wall basically straight after they won. Or Speech Debelle, who supposedly sold nary 5k's worth of albums *after* winning.
All this 'curse' talk is daft and all but it's fun to theorise/ talk bollocks about.
music is quite fickle, if you award only one prize a year - particularly when it's to bands that aren't necessarily big sellers - it's pretty inevitable that some of those people are going to go on to have something that could be construed as bad luck. I mean, if you're taking thingy up there's ideas about Suede to heart - that a revered second album, two further number one albums, and only actually fully losing it nine years later - could be construed as going off the boil, or whatever the fuck he was saying about Primal Scream, then you could probably take near enough any nominee of any year and say that if they'd won the curse would have struck.
What if New Order had won in 1993? They effectively broke up after Republic. Or Oasis in 1995? Their music went to shit. Radiohead in 1997? They were never as commercially popular again. I think ANYBODY from the 1998 shortlist could be deemed to have been cursed if they'd won... I COULD GO ON but I'll spare you, but, y'know, the Mercury curse is just a nice talking point that help adds a degree more gravitas to what is a single award for a single record.
that 'the curse' is basically 'the pressure to release a good next album after the one that wins the award'. I think the history books illustrate that most of the winning acts struggled to deliver the goods on their next record. True, Primal Scream didn't let it go to their heads (and 'Vanishing Point' is excellent, I agree); PJ Harvey also remained creatively uninhibited; Suede are another exception although I'd argue that whilst delivering their masterpiece in 'Dog Man Star' they actually cracked under the pressure of delivering it (Bernard leaving). So, the victims - The Pulp follow-up was a dark reaction to their commercial success and not universally loved. Gomez & Badly Drawn Boy both had their big moment and have kinda disappeared from public consciousness since. Franz Ferdinand fucked up. Where is Ms Dynamite since her win? The Klaxons crumbled, took 3 years and ditched a whole album of material... Seems clear that the pressure inhibits the freedom to just be creative for most winners.
Also, I don't think you have any basis for predicting that the xx will "easily avoid the Dreaded Mercury Curse" - this is pure opinion. I fully expect them to struggle under the weight of all this acclaim (and hope they do as I don't rate them at all.) The best scenario is to not win, sell a bucketload of extra records and remain unaffected by any of the pressure (see Doves, Editors & Coldplay.) If you win, you're in the spotlight, record labels presumably start piling on the pressure to repeat the trick and you're fucked.
Bit harsh, no? I don't really like their music, but I wouldn't want to see them struggle because of it. They made an album that people have enjoyed and won a recognisable award for it - fair play and good luck to them.
Westlife have won 'Smash Hits Best Album' for their kinda cashing-in-on-a-death(?) album 'Brother'...?
Well... "They made an album that people have enjoyed and won a recognisable award for it - fair play and good luck to them."
I may think Boyzone are shite, but it doesn't affect me if they succeed or not, so i'm not going to wish any problems upon them.
(Bit rusty on my boy band stuff these days...)
On a serious note, I kinda take your point that they won fair and square but I don't like anything that's massively hyped/rammed down our throats and then we're all expected to applaud like seals...
I'm the guy who says 'NO!' to that shit.
You need to press reply on the post you're replying to, not the big grey "reply to thread" button at the bottom. That way your post will indent and it'll be clear what you're replying to.