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A mere 10 months away...
1 July 2011
But it is Flaming Lips performing Soft Bulletin..AND!!! Dinosaur Jr performing Bug, and Deerhoof as well performing one of their albums. I'll be getting a ticket.
but ATP do seem to be putting on increasingly expensive gigs nowadays.
Is this confirmed anywhere?
I might have to go to that, even if I hate Ally Pally. That's one of my all time favourite albums.
I'm so, so, so there.
(but perhaps we could get dan_thw to do a flaming lips/dino jr/deerhoof covers night at the windmill for a fiver - and just as fun?)
Flaming Lips is too hard with all the synths and samples and stuff. With Pavement / Nirvana / Guided By Voices and all the other long sets I've done before you can literally plug your guitars in and know how to play the song pretty much just from listening to it. One four hour rehearsal with competent musicians who know the bands and the songs and you got yourselves a 45-60 minute set! This would take ages and some absolute nutcase computer / synth wizard to get involved.
That said, I could totally book a show the night before this one with bands doing perhaps a couple of songs each by the same bands for £5. But then you'd be going out two nights in a row and paying £45!
deerhoof are playign Milkman in full
I really hope Dinosaur Jr do a separate Bug gig too ... it's my possibly my favourite album of all time, but I detest The Flaming Lips and find Deerhoof pretty annoying too ... and Ally Pally is an awful venue ... in any event, I'd probably still pay £40 to hear Bug
but £40 + booking fee is just totally unaffordable for me at the moment so I guess I'm gonna miss out, or have to rely on getting a last minute spare if I happen to have the cash at the time.
I think for shows as expensive as this ticket holders should be given a free CD-R / MP3s of the recording of the show or something.
But then it is definitely gonna sell out so I don't suppose anyone needs to do this and it won't happen. Ho hum!
they offered a recording of the gig to download afterwards. So it might happen, I guess.
The Flaming Lips will probably skip here though, which makes me all the happier. I would kill to hear Bug live!
..now the very very long wait till the actual gig.
Granted, all three albums are brilliant by three amazing bands, but £45 a ticket for a gig at a venue with notoriously bad sound next July is just not on........
just annoyed it's only on seetickets, the most rip off of rip off ticket agencies.
To hear Race for the Prize twice!
Honeslty, that is a cool line up, but one hell of a lot of cash.
but this is a ticket price too far for me - same with leftfield at brixton academy in december, clicked through to ticketweb and with fees and postage it is £35 a ticket........
..if this was 2 seperate gigs, say Flaming Lips on their own doing Soft Bulletin, it would probably be in the region of £25, and then if Dinosaur Jr did their gig, you'd be looking at £20 probably. That's how I'm looking at it.
...which is why i'm not going.
I'd pay £25 to see them do Soft Bulletin live, sure, but have no interest in Dino Jr and don't really know Deerhoof that well...
Add to this all the negative stuff I've heard about the venue and it's hard to justify it in my head.
Strangely, I'd probably be more inclined to spend that kind of money if it was just a 2hr Flaming Lips gig, it's the nagging feeling that a fair proportion of that ticket money would cover at least 2/3rds of a gig that I wouldn't be excited about.
that I paid £15 to see Flaming Lips ten years ago play Royal Festival Hall and effectively do all of Soft Bulletin; plus there were amazing supports in Built To Spill and Wheat.
but then I'd say I paid a fiver to see them @ the Camden Falcon, & thankfully they didn't play any of The Soft Bulletin
you have around 10 months before it sells out.
it was ace!
... but I'm not paying £45 for a ticket - that's crazy money for a shit venue.
As another poster said, I have seen some ridiculous ticket prices (Leftfield included) recently. I wonder how much higher they can get before people start voting with their wallets - though I suspect the answer is 'a lot'.
ATP 4 the masses
but I would like to know why Iggy & The Stooges 'Raw Power' gigs were £32.50 + fee last May and this has to be £40 + fee.
Iggy had Suicide support and I reckon Iggy is not a cheap gig for ATP by any stretch, so why the difference?
It's the bigger venue. And market demands. Hell, if it doesn't sell out, i imagine they'll be cheaper tickets somewhere...
Gig prices are going higher and higher. Don't blame ATP more than others. They are a business after all and never pretend to be otherwise.
I get that. What I don't get is a gig ticket for one act who probably charges more as a fee (Iggy) than another act (F Lips) goes up by 25%.
Did your wages go up 25% last year over this?
I realise it is not just ATP and that it is all gigs in the main, but the only way this escalation is going to stop is if people stop buying the tickets.
Which, in fairness, is never going to happen, so all gig promoters will keep taking the piss.........
Do the maths - capacity at Ally Pally is around 7,000 x £40 = £280K.
Take out the venue hire cost, PA, security etc etc is still leaves A LOT of money - and I bet Dinosaur Jr and Deerhoof don't get paid that much for doing this.
I get that ATP, like all promoters, take the risk - ATP are a super smart company and have brought me great pleasure to the many gigs of theirs that I I have been to over the years, but this is taking the piss a bit.
Still, it's peanuts compared to what Libertines were supposedly paid for doing Reading & Leeds - £1.2 - £1.5 million for the two shows, ridiculous..............
if it doesn't sell out then it means that they are. We'll wait and see.
Normally I would go to this but it's not just the price putting me off. Alexandra Palace is too much of a trek for me, the venue is stupidly large and you can't see unless you get to the front and the sound is generally pretty shit.
he could sell that out at £500 a ticket I'm sure.
Would that not be overpriced either?
but from the promoters point of view if it sold out then the gig was not overpriced.
I guess there are two meanings of overpriced.
1) It's too high for me to justify buying a ticket
2) It's too high for the gig to sell out
I was actually more referring to reason 2, in regards to the price ATP have set, however one of the reasons I'm not going is because of reason 1, so yeah it's overpriced for me.
I now feel ashamed justifying the use of market forces to set the price, I've turned in to such a rabid capitalist.
My beef is not just the ticket price, but Ally Pally is just not a great place to see bands.
My rant above is my frustration at not being able to really afford this gig and being one that I would really want to go to........
...and tickets still seem to be available in abundance.
What're my odds of getting cheapo tickets the week before?
I only want to see Dinosaur Jr
are doing an instore at HMV Oxford St the day before along with Villagers and Wolf People:
gutted that Dinosaur Jr have only been allocated 45mins - hopefully they will squeeze in an encore
the length of J's guitar solos
I'm wondering why wasn't this on either a Saturday or Sunday.
Deerhoof at 7! I have to work and coming from Southend so it's going to take me 2 hours to get there, I'm sure other people are in the same situation if they want to catch all 3 bands. Seems a bit crap.
of course it's going to start really early. I'd imagine at least one of the bands have festival commitments that will pay a lot more on the Saturday and Sunday.
How does that work then? I saw someone on here mention GroupOn with regards to Wu-Tang, but I'm not aware of how it works.
Some advance warning would have been nice people?
Deerhoof were the highlight for me, could watch Greg Saunier drum for a month.
It started so, so well but he seemed super fucked (sweating profusely, talking incessantly) and the usual tolerable 'c'mon motherfuckers!' gave way for endless yammering about insecurities over his voice, about love etc. The music was fantastic of course, but it just seemed like his persona onstage was getting in the way and spoilt the night a bit for me.
Still good, but I've seen them before and they were hella better then (at a show where they played no Soft Bulletin material as well!)
I think they played a 12 song set, but if Wayne had talked less (it's all the same stuff as well, Flaming Lips audience is the best, we can achieve anything together etc. etc.) they could have fit a few more in.
At least his yammerings were vaguely interesting (though there's a lot more that he could have said about the album, and what the songs actually mean...). Saw them in Primavera and it was constant "c'mon, motherfuckers!" and false endings and it got really irritating. Last night wasn't so bad, by comparison. But yeah, I wish he'd tone the shtick down a bit. Dude's got great songs, he should just play them.
Overall, good show I thought. But weird that they skipped two songs on the album - Spiderbite Song and Bugging - and played Slow Motion, which isn't on the album.
Didn't realise there were two versions, I've only ever heard the US version. No wonder everyone but me recognised Slow Motion, it's on the UK release. Still he should have played Bugging....and Spiderbite Song is one of my favourite FL songs, even if it isn't on the UK version :(
So it's not a proper part of the UK album really.
Had they an infinite timeslot I'd have been happy with all the false endings and singalong moments - they were quite special until they started happening for about half the songs - but knowing they only had an hour and half I wanted them to get on with it a bit. As a result we didn't get Race For The Prize. :(
Still one of the best live bands I've ever seen, mind.
...For the band to play around 12 songs. So slow it was hard to get into it. The first tracks were great though with streamers, balloons and those random kids dressed up in Wizard of Oz costumes.
people can be. where does all this pointless cynicism come from? the set was amazing, coyne was inspiring, the whole thing was just wonderful. to turn that miserable crowd in that miserable venue into a massive celebration of well, everything, was some feat. they killed it.
but based on that experience I can totally see what everyone who feels disappointed is getting at. Yes it's incredibly fun for the most part and a big joyful spectacle but the amount of time that Wayne spent wittering on and on (and on) just got a bit excessive. It doesn't matter how good your patter is, you eventually reach a point when the audience just want to hear your songs! (especially when you have a massive back catalogue). The main reason the majority of people are there is because they are fans of the bands music afterall.
this show irked me. It pains me to say that because it should have been incredible, I adore both band and album. But look at how other bands usually go about this whole "play a whole album" thing. You usually get b-sides, the album (of course), and if you're lucky a mini greatest hits encore or something. They didn't play 'The Spiderbite Song' or 'Buggin'' which have both been included in various forms of The Soft Bulletin. Ridiculous. Wayne banging on for 5 minutes in-between virtually every single song was embarrassing at times and made the show very stop-start and disjointed. On top of this I thought the version they did of 'Waiting for a Superman' was just dreadful. Their encore of 'Do You Realize??' was the last straw for me. A song I love but that's what this night was meant to be about. I wanted The Soft Bulletin in it's ENTIRETY and you could argue that we didn't even get that.
It was like being fed a delicious steak, except you were only allowed to eat a chunk of it every 5 minutes and so by the end the steak was cold and you couldn't really be bothered with it anymore. You're left sad because it should been truly wonderful, but because of how you were forced to consume it, it was so disappointing...
I won't ever watch them again unless they change their approach to live shows. The Soft Bulletin + 'Do You Realize??' = 61:68. They played for approx. 105 minutes. I think that sort of puts everything into perspective, really. I'm heartbroken.
and the UK version in London, which seems fair enough to me.
Though I'd have thought there might have been a couple more songs in the encore when I looked up the setlist. I've seen a US Soft Bulletin show setlist where the encore was She Don't Use Jelly, The Yeah Yeah Song and Do You Realize??
Still though, it might be a bit over the top to accuse The Flaming Lips of having to "change their approach to live shows" considering the massive effort they put into their stage show.
This makes no sense. Bands don't just press play you know.
(I didn't go to this show so I'm speaking generally)
and I really do appreciate what they do live and how different it is to other shows. But I think it's got to a point where the set pieces have become more important than the set lists and it shouldn't really ever come to that in my opinion. But it is just my opinion, I guess!
I appreciate a lot of it: the space bubble, the confetti, the costumes, the balloons. These things can stay! I guess I'd just like to see bulkier set lists, less talking and less stripped down sing-a-long versions of top tunes... Or perhaps I've just seen 'em too many times! I dunno. I hate to sound down on the Lips like, but I did leave feeling a bit gutted.
Deerhoof and Dinosaur Jr. were top, anyways!
saying that it was THE best gig they'd ever seen. not just 'amazing' or whatever, but genuinely an outpouring of hysteria.
but hey make of that what you will.
And (like Sufjan Stevens recent tour) a lot of it does come down to the novelty and surprise of it.
I've seen them quite a few times, and while I enjoyed the show more than I did their set at Primavera, I do think that they're stretching out too few songs when they have the back catalogue to not need to do so.
was nothing compared to that generated by Sufjan Stevens' Royal Festival Hall shows.