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that are not greatest hits, disintegration, or pornography as i already have them. what should i buy next? help, please
Are the probably the nest best two after those. Check out Head On The Door aswell
I would second 'Head On The Door'
it's their 'The Bends' - the one with all their decent songs after they grew out of their adolescent goth phase and before they went all wanky
I'm probably alone in rating 'The Top' too though
You know, I'm not one for those reissues with all those shitty demos tacked onto the end....unless it's those early Cure records. The demos and outtakes are seriously awesome!!
to The Top
Don't have an opinion on the re-issues.
Three Imaginary Boys is really good too. (If you can get Boys Don't cry, that's a winner because it's Three Imaginary Boys album + Boys Don't Cry and 1015 on a Saturday Night (TUNE!))
But Head on the Door, Faith and Seventeen Seconds are all good albums, as is Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss me.
TIB minus the shit, plus the singles = great album.
Faith for sure - there's a great early live album called Concert - defo worth checking out.
The version of killing an arab on that is great.
So Faith !
to complete the original trilogy.
Then Head on the Door, to get one of the best pop records ever made.
Then Wish, because following up Disintegration with something not just listenable but even exciting was always going to be a tough job, and it's fucking amazing that they managed to do it. It's also the last GREAT album they ever made.
what about their latter days. i really liked the single "the end of the world" a couple years ago, according to wiki its off the self titled... worth it? or just stick with the 80's early 90's stuff?
Do check out Bloodflowers (2000) as well. It's the autumnal final album of the "gloom trilogy", alongside Pornography and Disintegration: nine epic and lengthy tracks dripping with melancholy. It's nothing new but it's The Cure doing what The Cure do best. They should have stopped right there.
if you're not an ardent fan, then Bloodflowers is probably the only post-Wish album that's worth taking as a whole. With the rest, my advice is pick through it and take the bits you like.
E.g. End of the World is a fantastic Cure single — right up there with some of their earlier pop greats. But there are only about 3 or 4 quality tracks on the s/t as a whole.
Three Imaginary Boys for the Jam-esque pop songs, but the Boys Don't Cry cassette release has the best songs from that period...annoyingly not released on CD as far as I know. Great youthful-sounding chirpy pop with a hint of the later gathering gloom.
Seventeen Seconds for introspective teenage moping ( A Forest, play for Today and At Night are killer songs)
Faith if the thought of staring out of a window on a rainy day waiting to die appeals to you. (Other Voices, Primary are awesome songs mind)
Do not buy The Top. Utter tripe from beginning to end. It's basically Robert Smith at his most whimsically indulgent without a band behind him to tell him to get a grip and consequently it's AWFUL.
Japanese Whispers is good for those 'were the 80s cool?...Maybe!' moments.
Head on The Door is indeed the album that is jam-packed with radio-friendly pop gems. A fine album all the way through.
Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me...I've never got into this one. More indulgence but in a 80s faux-funk style in places - every bit as good as that sounds. If you've got singles off the greatest hits then you may not want the rest of it.
Mixed Up - I love this album - the dance remixes are mostly superb and enhance the songs well - especially A Forest.
Wish if you want one of their best albums. I'm biased due to the early nineties noise aspect but Open, Cut and End are excellent blasts of noise while the slowies are heart-breaking in a good way - Trust, Apart, From The Edge of The Deep Green Sea and To Wish Impossible Things are all excellent.
Wild Mood Swings if a song-writing nadir shoddily concealed under a 'new funky direction' appeals.
Bloodflowers if you want long stodgy songs that make you reach for their back catalogue...
The Cure if you want a meaty production but less memorable songs. It's not a bad album but get it cheap.
4:13 dream...I'd be lying if I said I've played this more than twice...not to say it's a bad album but it hasn't grabbed me.
I vote Wish then Head On The Door...I agree with robluvsnic in that Wish is definitely their last great album. It's all on Spotify incidently...as far as live stuff the early stuff up to and including Pornography sound really good live but I wouldn't particularly recommend the live albums.
It's fantastic. Get that one too!
Wish is brilliantly varied - the as well as those tracks you've got the Doing the unstuck and Friday I'm in Love - great pop songs.
Contrast from Friday to Trust ( the next track) is brilliant.
and apparently im no good at figuring out how to use proxies, so i have to wait for spotify and all its glory. but anyways, thanks i think ive got a good list of records to buy.
I agree with most of ^this.
Like you, I don't rate the Top. I used to love it back in the late 80s, but I'm convinced now that I was trying to be all "look at me, I'm so different, because The Top is my favourite Cure album and not Pornography". Now I see it as having 3 or 4 decent songs, and a fair slab of try-hard filler.
I also don't rate Kiss Me that much — although I'd say there are a few decent non-single tracks (I actually love "Like Cockatoos").
get tae fuck
I know pitchfork can be very annoying at the best of times but this review does a great job of highlighting how good it is http://tiny.cc/kdfhx.
But yea that & Faith I'd suggest to people (and disintegration but you've already got that)
it's absurdly long and self-indulgent but for some reason I've always liked it most out of the Cure records I've heard.
Most of the songs are good-to-great but it's incredibly incoherent and directionless as an album. Plus there are some awful tracks too (Fight Fight Fight, anyone?)
It has been mentioned plenty of times in this thread for good reason. It is one of their best early period albums. You can probably the grab the Faith/Carnage Visors combo while you're at it. Even though the latter is a soundtrack, I find that it does make a nice compliment to Faith.
that reccomend every record up to and including wish and in my opinion all of it is equally as good. Depends on your mood. Seventeen seconds is gloomy, faith is hopelessly gloomy passive aggresive and creepy, pornography is manic and angry, the top is just drugged out and beyond weird, japanese whispers is fun, head on the door is poppy, kiss me is over the top poppy, wish is a combination of all previous moods. I heard disintegration first and thought no way the other records could compare then after hearing everything it's become my least favourite pre wish record. I'd probably pick faith tonight though just because there isn't really any circumstance where that record can sound bad.
The self titled one and Wish are also up there. For the early stuff, 'Faith' is much better than '17 Seconds'.
'The Head on the Door' and 'The Top' are both really good as well.
Even the latest album has grown on me, although it isn't a classic.
Personally I don't rate 'Bloodflowers' that much, although it has 2 or 3 classics on it.
It is a little more cherpy. Pornography and Faith are my favourites though.
peaking with the luminous Pornography, which is in my 80's top 3 - fucking amazing record, really formative as well considering how young I was when I first obsessed over it
They never quite recaptured that creative intensity afterwards, but there's REALLY good music dotted about the rest of their catalogue even to the current day - Wish, Bloodflowers (mostly for the stellar electro-rock workouts Watching Me Fall and 39) and The Head In The Door are also worth checking out, and KMKMKM has some great moments as well (The Kiss, The Snakepit and especially If Only Tonight We Could Sleep being my faves).
If you, like me, appreciate a lengthy freakout, then The Promise off their s/t is mandatory hearing as well.
But what I most want to impress upon you is that Faith and The Top are astounding records, and both completely unique both in music as a whole and within The Cure's catalogue.
Don't listen to the Top naysayers. Listen to this phenomenal piece of madness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evdDloeFxX4
and you should at least give it a go - 4.13 Dream wasn't quite as good IIRC
the problem with the s/t is that a lot of the songs are good without being great (Labyrinth and The Promise are 'great' IMO) and then in the second half there's two or three songs that are kinda not there at all so the whole album gives off the impression of being lightweight, but there's gold in there to be mined.
awful, awful, awful shit by the Ross Robinson guy (or whatever).
RS's voice isn't shit hot at the best of times, but getting him shouting the lyrics offers no improvement, and then pushing those flat shouty vocals right up in the mix does everything to fuck it all up.
There are enough quality tracks — Labyrinth, End of the World, The Promise, alt.end plus the good but not quite as good Anniversary, Lost and Never (yes, I actually quite like Never) — but it was a mistake to hand the production over to Ross Robinson rather than relying on the tried and true method of RS doing it himself with the support of quality sound engineer.
It's an album of good songs, mired in flat production. 'Taking Off' is really, really shit though :D
I'd only rule out Wild Mood Swings and 4:13 Dream.
If i had to list my favourites in order i'd go...
Head on the Door
Kiss me, Kiss me, Kiss me
Three Imaginary Boys
Hope this helps
One of the best ep's ever made. Indeed, it saved the band from disintegration (ha!). Robert was ready to quit and join the Banshees when "Let's Go Bed" was a big MTV hit. Standout tracks include "Just One Kiss" and "The Upstairs Room".
basically The Walk EP plus the Let's Go to Bed and Lovecats singles.
probably my fave from that little collection of songs. Well, that and The Walk.
Its a 4 disc thing in which the first two are top quality, the third one decent and the remaining one dross.
In any case you shuold get Faith and Seventeen seconds to get the real trilogy (including Pornography which you already own).
Together they picture a pretty accurate portrait of mental meltdown. It's like in SS you feel kind of down, then in Faith you're officially depress and finally in Pornography you're on suicidal watch.
...whatever you do, don't buy The Top. A couple of songs from it were much more successful live - faster and noisier - namely Shake Dog Shake and Give Me It, and the title track is an interesting listen in terms of working out Robert Smith's mindset at the time...but life is short. Don't buy it.
If Spotify is out of the question can you access we7? It's like a web-page version of Spotify.
it only gives previews as of now. i'll join maybe tomorrow and see if it works if no one tells me. I cant be bothered right now because of the wine. also on the to-do list... figure out proxies to get spotify and channel 4overdrive(isnt it sort of your hulu?) or whatever its called.
buy them all, bar one or two and even then pick them up later. this seems to always happen with great bands. ex: nick cave or something
nothing by the Cure is complete and utter dross. It's just that some albums sound pretty weak when standing alongside the many masterpieces they've made (which are, imo, 17 seconds, Faith, Pornography, Head on the Door, Disintegration and Wish).
Want kicks a lot of ass though - and some of the tracks near the end are hidden gems
AND YES DO GET THE TOP AND THEN EITHER AGREE WITH BADGERTASTIC OR ME THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE :D
Want is great, as you say, and Mint Car is ace, too.
and Jupiter Crash
and The 13th
and that's it.
Have always thought Want would have fitted nicely on Bloodflowers.
They're asily one of the greatest British bands ever with a ridiculously good catalogue of albums and they quite a rage of stuff. Bobby Smith could probably fart an excellent song.
Just take a pluge and get stuck in with whatever you like. They're a bit like Radiohead for me in that my opinion on their best stuff changes depending on what I'm listening to at the time.
The only album I'm not to fussed with is 'The Top' but even that has it's admirers.