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only name albums that are as good as, or better than Mellon Collie.
Overlong whiny-voiced pomp.
Still enjoy bits of Siamese dream mind you.
I think there has been tonnes of great rock music since...but Mellon Collie is also my favorite album ever.
Worship and Tribute
Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space
there's fucking loads!
but I wasn't keen on 'Everything you ever wanted to know about silence'. Are the 2 albums similar?
Worship and Tribute is less 'raw', and more progressive. I prefer it.
There are fucking loads, anyway Smashing Pumpkins are shit! :)
...Trail of Dead: Source Tags & Codes
Arcade Fire: Funeral
Boredoms: Super æ
Brainiac: Hissing Prigs In Static Couture
Built To Spill: Perfect From Now On
Comets On Fire: Avatar
The Constantines (s/t)
Dismemberment Plan: Emergency & I
The Exploding Hearts: Guitar Romantic
Frog Eyes: Paul's Tomb: A Triumph
The Futureheads (s/t)
Interpol: Turn On The Bright Lights
King Khan & The Shrines: What Is?!
Les Savy Fav: Inches
Liars: Drum's Not Dead
Man Man: Six Demon Bag
Modest Mouse: The Moon & Antarctica
Ponytail: Ice Cream Spiritual
Radiohead: OK Computer
Sunny Day Real Estate: How It Feels To Be Something On
TV On The Radio: Return To Cookie Mountain
The Wrens: Secaucus
Yo La Tengo: I Can Hear The Heart Beating As One
And probably plenty more I haven't bothered to put on my iPod. And plenty more I haven't heard. Mellon Collie could be a lot shorter. Siamese Dream shits on it.
Also, will this cue a 'what makes it a great album'/'what makes it a rock album' argument? I hope not/so.
I just listened to a bit of Mellon Collie last night, and although I may have been a bit drunk at the time I definitely felt confident that there haven't been many albums of such awesomeness since then...and if there have, i want to hear them.
can you define that a bit? At least if you want recommendations. If it's the massive, pretentiousy-ness to it then I don't know, not crazy about that aspect of it - not that there's anything wrong with that. If it's the chunky thickness and speed - have you heard Walt Mink's El Producto? They got compared to the Pumpkins at the time, vocals are a bit twee-er. But the lyrics aren't as painful.
I don't like (i.e. can't) defining music and getting into in depth discussions about it.
by awesomeness, I mean the riffage of Where Boys Fear to Tread and Bodies, for example, and great song after great song after great song throughout both discs (mostly, there are a couple of duffers in there too).
I've never heard of Walt Mink's El Producto. I'll check it out if it's on spotify or summat
Rated R/Songs for the deaf?
The Devil & God...
The Shape of Punk to Come
Return to Cookie Mountain?
WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME?
Permission To Land by The Darkness
up to 'mellon collie...', but my interest was waning by then. i found it bloated and pretty dull in places, which fits the massive over-exposure of the band by that point (massive rotation on mtv from 'today' onwards). it often seems the case that people who rate MCATIS so highly were too young to get into 'gish' or 'siamese dream' when they were released, both of which i much, much prefer. slightly older friends of mine love 'gish' but slate 'siamese dream', by the same token.
i can't be arsed with lists so i won't be making one, sorry!
and doesn't flow as well as their first 2 albums. The individual songs on it are brilliant. Apart from XYU. That annoys me.
Neurosis- Through Silver In Blood
Jesus Lizard - Shot
Nine Inch Nails - With Teeth
Aluk Todolo - Descension
Khanate - Khanate
The Dead C - Future Artists
Mogwai - Mr Beast
Jesu - Jesu
Godspeed - F# A#
Lift To Experience - Texas Jerusalem Crossroads
the rest is poison
gtfo, its their 4th best album
but it's really not that far off Siamese Dream in terms of quality. Seriously, just about every bit of Siamese Dream can be traced to some moment in the truly sublime "Rhinoceros".
...the first two A Perfect Circle albums were since then and both beat it.
Oh yeah and that other lot Tool. And QOTSA, NIN as mentioned above. And FNM squeezed out two albums after (or at least around) then.
I already love all of those bands...apart from FNM, never really got into them
(although I concur that SD had its moments)
Off the top of my head and sticking to stuff that could conceivably fall under the "rock" category as opposed to post-rock/drone/generic indie:
..Trail of Dead / Source Tags & Codes
Afghan Whigs / Black Love
Fugazi / The Argument
A Place to Bury Strangers / Exploding Head
QOTSA / Rated R
Titus Andronicus / The Monitor
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I'm just saying people claiming they're better then the pumpkins is a bit laughable
I heard bot their albums, they're good but don't even come close to the pumpkins first 3 albums and b-side album
Gish and Siamese Dream are where it's at, regarding the Pumpkins. Mellon Collie had some incredible tracks, but — seriously — what's with surrounding them with a whole heap of filler?
Probably would've made a fantastic album if they'd cut it back to one disc. Still wouldn't have been as good as Gish and Siamese Dream, mind.
I haven't heard anyone mention their name for over 5 years now. Surprised no one has mentioned Tool yet, you could pick anything they have done since MC but I would have to go for Lateralus. Astonishing album. Oh and the first two Mars Volta album are definitely on my list.
I think its fair to say that there hasn't been many great rock albums which crossed over into the mainstream since MC but there has been loads bubbling just under.
Blackened Sky - Biffy Clyro
White Pony - Deftones
Relationship Of Command - At The Drive In
Sleep And Release - Aereogramme
See This Through And Leave - The Cooper Temple Clause
That's just a few I can think of, there are a lot more
Sleep and Release is a fantastic album, haven't listened to it for ages though
debut is a stonker, and I'm a fan of all the others, too.
I'm surprised no one's mentioned Silversun Pickups — Carnavas
I like your sense of humour
Elliott Smith - XO, Either Or...
Sufjan Stevens - Illinoise
Trail of Dead - Source Tags & Codes
Radiohead - OK Computer
Idlewild - The Remote Part
Bright Eyes - I'm Wide Awake Its Morning
Franz Ferdinand - S/T
DFA 1979 - You're a Woman, I'm a Machine
Queens of the Stoneage - Songs for the Deaf
Rival Schools - United by Fate
although I'm not too keen on Bright Eyes, you redeemed yourself with your second list
I'd also heartily recommend 'Madonna' by Trail of Dead. Pretty much one of my fave records ever!
but for some reason never bothered digging any deeper with them
Both Siamese Dream and MCAIS are five-star albums for me. Siamese Dream in my mind is pretty much perfect, one of the only albums which has the depth of say OK Computer for me in that it creates a 'sound' for the album from the first track. MCAIS isn't quite as perfect but is compensated by the scope and ambition of it (the 7 minute epics among awesome tracks like Bodies).
As for others:
QOTSA- Rated R/Songs for the Deaf
I don't get the whole filler thing. Galapagos is boring and XYU is annoying but two poor songs out of 28 isn't so bad. I really like everything else on it. The only thing that's always bothered me about MCIS though is that a lot of stuff off Airplane Flies High and unreleased demos from that era easily trump most of the record. If some of the songs had been substituted, it would of been as good as Siamese Dream at twice the length. I really enjoyed Adore as well. Machina is messy and poorly produced with maybe 3 good songs. Loved Machina 2 though, easily as good as Adore IMHO. Used to be the biggest Pumpkins fan growing up, I've probably listened to them more then any other band in my life withstanding the fact that I haven't put on anything by them in years.
There's fuckloads in there.
their first 3 albums are all stone cold classics, especially siamease dreams, dream pop fused with grunge/hard rock effortlessly
Used to like them but got bored quick.
That one's plain crapola.
The Ponys- Laced in Romance.
The Icarus Line- Mono or Penace Soiree
I 2nd the Trail of Dead nominees above.
Black Tambourine- s/t
Those first couple of Strokes' albums.
The White Stripes - White Blood Cells.
Sleater-Kinney- pick one.
Throwing Muses/50 ft. Wave
Spoon- Kill the Moonlight, Girls Can Tell
Superchuck, Titus Andronicus, Deerhunter, Tame Impala, Yo La Tengo, Libertines, Arctic Monkeys, Clinic, Built to Spill....
I dunno, the list is long. If you haven't found a good hard rock album since 1995 then you haven't been looking very hard!
There's been loads of good ones since then but dunno if there's been any better. These are all in a similar vein and also pretty immense
ATDI - ROC
Baby Chaos - Love Your Self Abuse
Deftones - White Pony
The Get Up Kids - Something to write home about
Jimmy Eat World - Bleed American
QOTSA - Rated R & Songs for the Deaf
Sunny Day Real Estate - Rising Tide
Weezer - Maladroit
The Wildhearts - Fishing for Luckies