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So, who's fault was it? the band's, Butlins, or ATP's?
Why book a band like that and do such a stupid set up?
It was only about then minutes long. Will upload it in a bit...
but there is only so much that can be agreed in advance I guess and bands tend to do what they can get away with; this time they misjudged.
It's funny how everyone immediately blames the venue like "This is MONOTONIX MAN.....THYE HAVE TO DO THIS KIND OF SHOW!!! IT'S MONOTONIX".
But I remember they played London a while ago and they actually toned it down quite a bit with none of that bullshit surfing on the crowd. The reason's simple: the venue owner told them they could do whatever they want but the band would have to pay for any damage caused by the band directly or the fans as a result of their antics.
So it appears whenever the band are directly challenged with the responsibility for the potential damage they may cause; all of a sudden their natural inclination to fuck things up are magically toned down.
So Monotonix acting like dicks to an audience of dicks is not a MUST for a Monotonix show.
So ATP/Butlins are perfectly entitled to expect a band to conform ot venue regulations, as Monotonix have done before.
Its not so much that: why not have the band on the normal stage? the fans can mosh all they like and security can handle it.
on the mainstage on sunday i think they would have been fine.
I can't see how that would have been a problem
I wasn;t there but I presume they would have tried the same shit that they did at Supersonic when we saw them.
Someone said it was during the 'sitdown phase' that security had enough.
Bob the Builder and I had a chuckle when they started streaming out
summer sundae managed it brilliantly, the secuirity kept things under control (only allowing the venue to be half full so there was space, helping the band move equipment when they moved across the room etc).
the fire thing is obviously an issue, but with proper planning i can't see how it can't be done outside of this.
I don't know anything about them and didn't manage to catch them at the Patton ATP. Why is everyone sitting down in the photo on this site?
but they didn't have the building insurance. I'm really interested to know what happened here, because all I'm getting from anywhere is "security stopped it after five minutes" with no indication of how much they must have got done in that period.
Ultimately, though, what's the entertainment threshold of a neutered Monotonix show, half an hour of route-one garage-Sabbath riffs shorn of the possibility of Ami landing on you?
The wrong band playing in the wrong venue, with the wrong set up.
It happens. Like in my job when I get things wrong. ATP normally gets things right though so... it's not too bad is it? It's hardly a 'fiasco'.
Running out of Thatcher's cider by the Sunday though, now THAT's a fiasco...
stage manager pulled the plug when it looked like it was going to kick off. I'm sure if the reasons behind it all had been explaned before the gig people would have behaved...
For the ATP show we tried something different to make sure they don't shut us down - because the country club that hosts ATP freaked out about last time we played there and the nature of our show.
We asked them to make a little mobile stage for us, put it in the middle of the room, and we will seat on chairs on that stage and play 10 new songs that will make most of our next album without moving or doing anything except for playing music - with the audience around us.
The organizers tried to get the audience to sit down on the floor, but as soon as the crowd got up and started dancing, getting a very rough treatment from security, they literally pulled the plug on us, during the beginning of the 5th song, while we are just sitting on chairs playing our new songs.
Another amusing thing is that security refused to let half of the people into the venue until the middle of the first song, they wanted to "see what we're gonna do" first before they let the people, who paid money to see the bands, come in. In the middle of the first song the other half of the people came in, and during the third song - everyone (except for us) got up and started dancing and having fun. After the 4th song they pulled the plug.
There were representatives of "Butlin's Country Club" in suits (!) making sure "nothing happens", and 25 security guards around us, it was a pretty surreal experience altogether.
We just wanna thank all the great people who came to that show, we had a blast playing those 4 new songs to you and it was very special, regardless of how short it was.
It was nice to see everyone connecting to the music so much when there was really nothing but the songs.
We'll see you when we tour the U.K in September or other parts of the world this summer.
The typical country club must attract a very different clientele in Israel.
So after the incident that happened when we played Melvins/Mike Patton curated "Nightmare Before Xmas" 2008 ATP, when the show ended up in the cold outside with a (really nice) rep for the festival tackled by a member of the audience, and people sitting outside to watch the end of our show, the Butlin's Country Club that hosts ATP decided the performance we put on is never to repeat at their resort. The nice folks at ATP asked us to play on stage, a thing we always immediately refused, but after refusal we thought it over and decided we're gonna make something special out of it.
Since we like ATP, and appreciate Bob from Pavement's invitation, we are gonna try something we've never done before for that show. We're not gonna play on stage, but we're gonna try something completely different.
Over the years, some people have said things about our band that were very similar to things people in the late 60's and 70's said about very early punk bands that we really like - that Monotonix the show "overshadows" the songs.
Well, the people who will see us on Saturday May 15th at 23:30 in ATP Festival in Minehead, UK will get to listen to our songs, without any distractions.
We will be seated on a tiny stage in the center of the room, you will be all around us, and we'll be playing 10 of the songs that will make our next record (8 of which we already recorded with Steve Albini in Chicago in January and April).
lies with ATP
they knew that their whoudl be problems and their lack of planning fucked it up,
now say all you like about butlins, but its butlins call, monotonix caused a problem last time, so why book it the same again.
ATP knew this would happen so should have planned in advance and booked them onto main stage first or center stage.
its the same with lightning bolt and moving them to the stage at reds at MBV, that made a safer show, and that is what should have happend at ATP this time,
ATP fucked up and pissed a lot of people off, end of.
whats the worst that can happen with a load of indi kids? its hardly lip biscuit big day out.
(someone interview me after, who was that? big beard)
but as you see above they wanted to do something else (Whereas Lightning Bolt wanted to play on stage from the outset; as they did for a bunch of shows last year.) The stage setup was as the band wanted it.
The band did ask for the audience to sit down but people ignored it once they got started. From what i've been told they had said it would be an acoustic set; if it had been then people may have been a bit calmer and it may have carried on.
We're obviously sorry it didn't work out and people were disappointed. The obvious thing would have been not to book them but as pavement really wanted them, and the band themselves wanted to play it (and thought they could do it in a way that would satisfy Butlins who obviously have the ultimate power over how these things go down) we thought it was worth a try.
the band may have wanted it set up that way, but perhaps in tis instance that should have been ignored?
not in a horrible way obvious, but i can't imagine the band will refuse to play on a stage if told they had to.
sometimes it best to go with the obvious, a show on a stage would still have been a fantastic show
...no man is bigger than the club. I know 'respecting the rules' is BORING but, y'know, sometimes it's good for them to be followed.
*clips ATP round the ear*
(being a shit devil's advocate here)
someone invent an 'un^this' plz.
but if i was in charge of the safety of the band and the fans i wouldn't be happy either
In 1983 no-one died. In 1984 no-one died. In 1985 no-one died. In 1986... I mean... I could go on
someone started reciting that sketch in the swimming pool changing rooms...i wanted to join in but he had it spot on so i just laughed to myself...the end!
is their music any good?
not great, but solid and fun.