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Looks quite interesting, goodbye last.fm?
i like how you have profiles and can see people's playlists.
*waits for Spotify to update*
We7 adverts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spotify adverts. Don't have to download anything, is online. Not a massive selection of music, but i like it. Good old peter gabriel.
because we're not allowed to install spotify. its pretty good, selection is decent, agree the adverts are a bit less annoying
you can get the executable here:
This is snazzy. Night, night lastfm maybe?
Especially the library thing. I wish they would just work with Last.fm though. They would both benefit hugely from cooperation.
They would benefit big time.
Will never happen though :(
is going to be powered by Spotify
they've just recently added links to spotify on the track pages.
Last.fm radio does my head in.
the amounts bands get is completely negligible, at least illegal downloading still feels slightly illicit provding a moral obligation to buy music at some point and puts some people off risking it, there is a danger if spotify becomes the established norm then both those factors wont be there anymore because people think its legit. spotify just gives peoples music away to gain advertising money for themselves and big record companies, may be fair if those were the companies investing in the bands but from what I understand spotify streams more smaller acts and gives it to the bigger acts record companies.
It's only Tuesday, but.
"...because people think it's legit..."
Could that be...drum roll... because it is?
being above board is no use if the artists are no better off, and being above board means it can become more established than illegal downloading (the barriers of moral obligation, fear of punishment, and less convinience removed)
Digital media, especially music, the most convenient and popular of all digital media, is free. You need never pay to hear an album again. Artists make and release them, and the public share them, distributing those works more widely than themselves, so they are heard/seen/etc by more people. We will never again exist in an age where you have to spend £10 or whatever on a plastic disc to have a copy.
All of that is just technological and social reality. The notion that illegal downloading is even 'bad' for artists is in the majority of cases a total myth, when looked at from a whole-system perspective.
Why do you even assert that the artists need to be better off (genuine question, not just baiting)? Are they currently unfairly treated? Or were they better off at some other point in the past? What about the public being better off? Isn't that a benefit worth counting?
it's not really on-topic. You obviously disagree with me. Prove it, construct an argument. What is incorrect about my statements, or what is the answer to my questions?
you should email this to all the musicians you know and get them to forward it on. then, when their landlords turn up demanding rent, they can just impress upon them the benefits to society to their livelihood being removed.
The airy-fairy ideals are actually on your side of the debate. You seem to come from the entitlement camp, whereby musicians are owed a living for writing their music simply because it exists. Why?
The war on illegal downloading is little different in nature to the war on drugs, or even terror: a diversionary argument made by establishment interests to entrench and protect existing power balances at the expense of genuine examinations of society's best interests.
There is a demand for my labour and I am willing to supply it at the existing price level. I’m not sufficiently interested in it (at least, in its particular format) to do it without remuneration.
On the other hand, there are things that I do that I am happy to do without needing income to incentivise me because my interest is sufficient at a price level of zero. For instance, contributing to discussions on DiS and other sites about music and other subjects can take up considerable amounts of time all told, but I have no problem with that because I enjoy the discourse.
There are many people who hope to earn income from music but who are not fortunate/skilled/diligent enough to do so, who nevertheless continue to make music without receiving an income from it. You cannot just say “I have made music, where is my money?” If there is not demand for your skills in a particular area then you must accept that it is not possible to earn an income from those skills, and you will have to sell other skills to generate income. All people have the right to attempt to sell their music, but no guarantees can be provided that this will result in a full income. What’s so complex about that?
(p.s. Your analogy excludes possibilities such as ‘stream the record online’, ‘listen in a record store’, ‘borrow from a friend’, ‘share with/from online communities’ etc)
"The notion that illegal downloading is even 'bad' for artists is in the majority of cases a total myth"
I run a small label that releases digital formats and on cd. There is a band on my label called Ringo Deathstarr that appear to be doing quite well on the old internet. But unfortunately their debut ep I released in 2007 is all over the internet on torrent sites and blogs etc to download in it's entirety.
I've always been pretty forthcoming with lots of free tracks to download and even a fair number of free complete releases you can grab for bugger all, but when I'm selling the cd's at not much more than cost price (including postage etc) or selling the downloads at knock down prices it really pisses me off that the majority of people that have the Ringo Deathstarr ep have got it illegally. The main reason being that if everyone who'd downloaded it illegally had actually paid the £2 to get the bloody thing from my site then the band would have been able to buy studio time a lot earlier than they did along with replace broken instruments etc, never mind giving me the ability to put more money into promoting them along with other bands that are starting out that could do with every single pound that they can possibly get their hands on.
And yes, most bands do what they do because of the music and not for the money, but when you're giving up your job to go out on tour then every single penny helps. Most bands cannot survive alone from the money earned from playing a venue and do have to suplement their income with money earned from sales of downloads or cd's or vinyl.
And yes, I do like Spotify. But will it stop me buying CD's and downloads... Not in a million years.
This is the problem though, if they'd had no option but to pay £2 to get a copy of this EP, then very few people would have a copy at all. And this Ringo Deathstarr wouldn't be "doing quite well on the old internet" (whatever that means in this case).
The alternative to downloading is not usually paying, it is ignoring, and this tendency is amplified for lesser known bands. Those are your facts, Jack; I'd suggest you concentrate on making the best of the situation rather than bemoaning human nature, for your own sake.
nb. all your music on your pc will be available to the rest of the world unless you make it private. not sure how excatly their working it but just so you know.
am now set-up, follow me if you wanna http://open.spotify.com/user/seaninsound
the facebook thing is genius.
but I'm fucked if I'm signing up to Facebook so I can use it
http://open.spotify.com/user/alx23 if for some reason any of you are interested
...you can now see who/how many people have subscribed to your playlists ie. the 'nine songs of oh-nine' one I did for DiS.
I'm at: http://open.spotify.com/user/kevinegperry
Their recent repositioning away from providing streaming music and towards providing recommendations and pushing people towards spotify et al for stream suggests they to me that they were aware of this and are (maybe?) working with Spotify.
It's way more of a threat to iTunes, surely?
same layout, more stable + the fact the is fucking lots of shit on it
or you have however much the subscription fee is.
isn't it easier to use iTunes + Spotify?
as you were.
only way to roll.
my new chat-up line.
I give up. Looks horrible.
I want to give it a go, and I realise I'm so far behind the curve on it, but getting out of the iTunes->iPhone mentality is taking me some time. Got iTunes set up just how I like it... not sold on Spotify yet.
*star it all*
*star all the albums you love but don't have*
BIG FUCK OFF LIST!
Drop in and out of peoples playlists to see what they're listening to
Star what you like
EVEN BIGGER FUCK OFF PLAYLIST
not to mention my libary is now in excess of 12,000 tracks and it STILL isn't slowing down, itunes by this stage is having a minor melt down.
cheers though matt, it's just... a bit... meh.
disabling the 'Allow Spotify to automatically update track, album and artist info in my local files' in the preferences helped. (Then again, switching it off might be a bit tough if you can't even access the preferences without a crash... maybe try reinstalling and not enabling the 'feature' in the first place?)
That would be very annoying.
I sent you a song! Did you get it? Or is it only for subscribers or songs that are on normal spotify rather than own library songs?
I'm at home now, but the website doesn't seem to be hosting the new version any more :(
has anyone tried to send someone a track yet?
I'm new to all this gubbins...
Is it worth spending a tenner a month for premium???
Also think 99p a track is a bit steep for buying a single track...
Think I'll probably stick to iTunes as my main player but use Spotify for discovering and so on.
I'd never go back to basic spotify now, EVER, better audio quality... no ads and iphone/android functionality
Cheers. Just upgraded and no ads and sound is much better and works on my ipod...
Only problem is the social side has completely disappeared...
None of the links above can be found, not even my own. No biggie though, I'm a bit of an anti-social tosser anyway.
And I'm sure it will sort itself out sometime soon.
is this service only available with Spotify Premium? if not, how do you update regular spotify?
ive redownloaded it and nothings happened. by the sounds of it, this should be amazing though.
'We can't handle everyone upgrading all at once so we spread it out.'
Can someone upload the spotify.exe file please?
How do I get this....Can't seem to find the mac version?
at least that's what I did and it's worked fine.
this has not changed my life much.
all of a sudden theres a papa roach song and a no doubt song in my library
I haven't starred or imported them from anywhere
are they just free gifts
or someone sent them to you
its a Suckers daytrotter session. and the no doubt song turned out to be Carol Brown.
whats going on I'm not into this at all
Every six months, my iTunes randomly renames something. It relabeled a mix of stuff I did all as Life Without Buildings (none of the songs were actually LWB) and also switched My Chemical Romance with Bright Eyes for a few tracks. In fact, it's always slotting Bright Eyes songs in the middle of other albums. I've never figured out why.
it's not been able to read loads of the tags, and hasn't recognised where some of my tracks are the same as the ones on spotify.
the tag reader evidently isn't standards compliant. /nerd
i don't know wtf the problem is
I get lots of promos that I don't want to let loose. Is it easy to block that feature? I only just grabbed sportify the other day I don't want to have to delete it already.
would be cool but they'd never get away with it.
it can't work like that, surely? that'd be like p2p on a ridiculous scale
I thought thats what it was going for, maybe I should just ignore meths more 'all your music on your pc will be available to the rest of the world unless you make it private' he said that...
It doesn't. I made a playlist featuring an album that isn't out yet public and checked with someone that they can't play it. Just says file isn't available. But they CAN see it.
I get ya.
I guess its a bit like last fm like that then. I dunno if I want another avenue for people to bug me and ask if they can have some tracks they shouldn't like they do sometimes on last fm. Well annoying.
can someone upload the .dmg file for us Mac users? Tah.
also i hope they can't detect files that weren't acquired by ahem... proper means.
I decided to publish a playlist of the Hold Steady's new album (out 5 May) and checked with someone to see if they can see it and they can, they just can't play it. At least you can hide these things, but I worry about privacy in this instance.
its pretty much an amazing idea and if it was to work it'd be amazing.
however it doesnt reeeeeaaaaally work. whatever powers the tags is pretty rubbish meaning at least a huge chunk of my library isn't tagged correctly and looks a big mess. it'd be a lot better if it would just import my iTunes library exactly as it's tagged.
still, pretty good, but doubt i'll be using it for all my music instead of itunes.
yeah just noticed this, pretty amazing. is your library actually viewable then or not? cos i cant see other peoples i dont think.
or is it just to have your own personal library like your own media player as part of spotify? this is all pretty great.
ALSO can i sync the changes i make to playlists etc on spotify to effect itunes? cos i'll still need that for my ipod...
anyone else getting this problem?
before it was doing this it also just hung whenever i tried to connect it to facebook...
have just installed the previous version
Then tried again, same problem. Sadface. Seems to be quite a common-ish problem, judging by the amount of posts on Twitter about it.
Mine is working fine now.
Probably gonna stick with itunes if so.
why won't this work??!! The only mac dmg file I can download (for the mac) is version 0.3.whatever.
I've been using my housemates account, but I'd quite like a profile so I need my own one.
This may just make me use Spotify a hell of a lot more;
recommendations of brilliant american indie rock bands are welcomed
http://open.spotify.com/user/ricey will play with this more tomorrow....
That letting Spotify do the tagging when importing your library has messed up loads of the tracks in iTunes?
when i try to 'connect to facebook' or 'import friends' i just get a white box and nothing else happens. gone back to the old one in the hope it'll update itself in time, bit disappointing because i liked the idea.
Tags are all to easily borked to start with so ripped CDs & DL'd stuff gets the once over when I import it. If I've spent time fixing 'em with MP3TAG then they're that way for a reason.
And I don't like letting facebook into my life any more than necessary. That means no fb apps that can automatically worm around finding out and logging god knows what about me. It knows who all my friends are and what we chat about and that's as far as it goes. But as far as I can tell, it only really hooks you up with any other fb buddies with Spotify - so that's easily sorted by just adding a link to my spotify username into my profile info.
I didn't tick the 'share my library thing' either. Mainly cos my mp3s are on a different laptop to the one I use spotify for. But this looks like it might be an interesting feature so I'll prolly turn that on sometime soon and give it a whirl. Can someone explain how it works (I didn't really get the gist of it from the Spotify website)? Is it basically a list of all your mp3 music that your mates can browse through, and then play on Spotify (if Spotify has it)?
Does anyone have an ATP - Curated by Pavement playlist, I can't find one anywhere.
If not I'll start bunging one together... eventually.
thanks fuck_this_band. Thought I might as well share my playlists. Most of them I make for Impact Music, which consists of albums that I get from a website called www.pitchify.com, great website that gets its reviews from Drowned in Sound and Pitchfork.
why doesn't it show you how long your playlists are now?
i have no idea why not. it's fucking annoying
Not playing my own tracks was my 1 problem with Spotify...