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Bout faaaarking time.
...two bands in sounding like Kate Bush shocker?
Vocal similarities to Kate Bush aside, I don't think there's much about GGD that sounds like her music.
florence is massively too dull, GGD have way too many dancehall riddim-riddims (lol).
of lizzi and flo made the F&TM version sound retarded and also how much I resented the fact that people like her and Bats For Lashes are somehow the modern versions of Kate Bush when they haven't enough inspiration to even get close to holding up a torch for her.
is the most obvious bit.
surprised she's said it was intentional, makes her sound a bit wrong for doing it without crediting
I can't hear it...??
"How quickly the glamor fades" part.
I listened over and over and I couldn't hear it either, until I realized that it was just that one lyric that they were talking about.
It's at the beginning of the Florence song:
And 1 minute into the Gang Gang song:
It's pretty bad that for a self proclaimed fan she decided not to credit them.
The melody is identical, and while the lyrics are mostly changed they are still phonetically quite similar in places (most noticeably on the 'how quickly the glamour fades' bit).
I really don't get how more people don't see how similar it is, I noticed it the first time I heard Rabbit Heart and played it to my housemates, but none of them could get what I was on about. It's so obvious!
does happen quite a lot
that thing is bizarrely overstated.
also I don't think Saint Dymphna was exactly a cash cow.
Sorry to suck the fun away.
That's what I heard, and that they are paying royalties to MBV as part of it.
the melody on vacuums a little more complex anyway.
I don't care if you're joking or not.
One song on the album, ‘Vacuum’, seems to have a number of My Bloody Valentine allusions on there – was that a deliberate effect?
JD: "We like My Bloody Valentine but it wasn’t a conscious thing, that song was just something we improvised and that’s where it came from. I mean it might have filtered into our subconsciouses. They were and still are an amazing band, they made a sound that’s unmistakably theirs."
Yeah, realised my mistake - found the link and it was some guy's blog where he'd just stated it without any citation or source, I'd just taken it as gospel.
There is no other resembelance in either of their music, what are you talking about?
We've had this discussion before. If Gang Gang blatantly rip off anyone it's not My Bloody Valentine - they don't even sound alike.
(although I agree with you on the everyone rips everyone off thing btw - but part of the point is it's a specific line and specific notes, and Flo has handed over the cash/rights - if she wanted to fight it out she probably could, jazz players for instance always nick other players little bits.)
Less so these days though.
when they wrote Fight Test and it turned out that they'd 'subconsciously' used the same melody as Father and Son.
From a legal point of view, it comes down to melodies. You can borrow/rip-off/pay tribute to a sound, or rhythm, or instrumentation as long as you don't use someone else's melody.
and it does sound just like MBV.
Don't know how I missed it before. I don't think I ever really listen to Saint Dymphna that closely.
and the wash. and the sludgy repetitive feel.
It's certainly not ripping MBV off, but I can see how people think it sounds a bit similar. Cause it kind of does.
It doesn't sound sludgy to me at all, its really bright and clear. I can see the similairties in that the pace and the feel but sonically it sounds like something else entirely to me.
might have been on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-MrUH6xLT0 plus the awful duet with Dizzie from that awards show the other week, that I keep hearing on the radio. I mean does that make Florance more grime than Gang Gang because they've only worked with Tinchy Stryder hahah
yeah you're right.
Was that with Ghostface Killah?
Method Man and RZA
on the remix of Say What You Want, I remeber it being all over the radio when I was at college.
I'm not sure Florance is this cool to be honest.
get dat $$$ gang gang
to use the same words/notes that they used is preposterous. Nobody owns words/notes nor the order they are placed in.
between a normative and positive statement.
unless you're conflating the definitions of normative and subjective, which aren't quite the same thing and in any event doesn't render your point in opposition to mine.
To be more direct: it should not be possible to copyright words/notes, nobody should have any form of ownership over words/notes.
and from their the confusion arose. Technically people do.
There are degrees of cynicism, taking a beat or a simple melody after it has passed into the realm of public psyche is a different thing from profiteering from a single unique melody line you have taken without acknowledging.
I suppose I meant when I said "nobody owns..." I meant that as a statement of natural justice, distorted by the legal framework bullied into society by commercial considerations (that is to say, I was referring to the ownership of intellectual property as a fraud that ought to be lifted from the natural state, rather than an imposition of freedom over the existing legality, though this is getting a bit tangled and away from the point).
I don't think anyone could seriously argue that Florence & The Machine's success has anything at all to do with this brief copy/homage/whatever of GGD in one song.
If you wrote a song, and then someone else made a load of money by releasing their version of your song and didn't give you anything back, you'd be pretty irritated I'd imagine.
but that isn't what happened in this case for a start. Secondly, you might be annoyed if someone made a lot of money using a beat you wrote, but you won't find any compensation for that. So there's an inconsistency there in what consitutes recognisable (artistic) intellectual property, which is beside the main point that it shouldn't be legally possible to monopolise modes and forms of (artistic) expression in any case.
oddest i've spotted. uncanny.
Wire's Lowdown sounds too similar to elastica's Human not to be taken wholesale, but i havent spotted a credit.
I always used to skip that trail of dead track because I thought it sounded like a bad supergrass pastiche. I didn't realise it sounded like an actual supergrass song. Who is ripping off who there?
Is the jaw-dropping pink of 'Three Girl Rhumba' for 'Connection'?
My personal favourite pinch, in terms of sheer shamelessness, has to be The Rapture's lift of the vocal from PiL's 'Careering' for 'Echoes'. I mean seriously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9O2tsIbKD0 (although it's even more blatant if you compare the album version off Metal Box)
amazed listening to baudelaire! Can't believe i've never noticed that before.
Now can Lauren Laverne chase up Kings of Leon about completely nicking the riff from Kenickie's "People We Want"?