is there a mob mentality on DiS?
And does this maybe put off the silent majority from posting?
I saw Jaron Lanier speak a few weeks ago and just watched this new vid up on the Guardian ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/feb/21/my-bright-idea-jaron-lanier ) and it reminded me I wanted to ask this question, mostly as I'm concerned that DiS is maybe perceived as being this cliquey elite, which is never what I set out to create but it feels, like everything online, that you can only create the foundations, and attempting to control what it becomes is futile... and hopefully you will have noticed that I don't do much in the way of oar sticking, censorship or squabble management, and i think the site is richer but maybe less inclusive for it but would be really curious of people's thoughts, especially from any long time readers, rare posters...
is part of DiS' chart that it isn't inclusive?
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Most of the time I don't know what's going on between the regular posters with their 'banter'. I feel excluded from stuff quite a bit, simply because I don't sit on DiS alllll day just posting stuff. When it comes to a point where I wish to share my views I often feel a little bit of an outsider.
Cheers
^ This.
Posting on DiS often feels like you are throwing yourself to the mercy of a pack of rabid wolves.
anyone have any suggestions how we can make things more welcoming?
maybe a monthly "introduce yourself" kinda thread? or maybe a bit of a guide to getting involved? perhaps a quick overview of some of the dis-isms/lingo? http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/DiSisms
those are awful
better suggestions plz
I think maybe you'd have to compromise too much to try and
be more inclusive of everyone who wants to speak up. The forum is as fun it is because people speak their minds, and don't do the usual fannying stuff like 'HIYA' threads.
I have been using the forum for about three months, and didn't know any of the board (except ArtBaretta, but he's never on the social board). I just got on with it, and was confident enough to engage the in-joking throng and 'pack of wolves'.
If you try and cull the elitism so that for want of a better phrase 'the paper towels' can clear their throat for a post, then you start to take away what the board is - really good fun, as long as you have the stones to lump in.
Everyone is eventually welcomed by one of the groups of friends on the board, or normally absolutely everyone.
I'm being long-winded, but in short: forums are full of people, so how should saying hello be any different that the playground, office or book club? It's not. *It's just as demanding of confidence.*
The social board's the worst for the inside jokes
The music board does get a bit elitist I find, but for the most part everyone seems happy to let everyone have their own opinions. Even though there doesn't really seem much space to air those that are parallel to the consensus.
the social board is just an example of what happens in society when new people join in with people who know each other
as for the music board, i'm not really sure what people are moaning about, if you want to talk to people about things, talk to them about things, what's the issue?
Wasn't moaning
The thread seemed to be asking for opinions so I gave mine. Granted it wasn't as clearly written as it should have been, but still...
See above sorry,
replied to sean by accident!
Personally I don't think we should curb the 'elitism'
I like the fact that DiS has no censorship. To be honest I shouldn't really have used the word 'elitist', I think it's down to me coming from a more pop background and a fair amount of the discussion on the boards being about more 'art' or avant garde music.
When I think about it properly it's just people getting passionate about these acts, which obviously is great. Being new here I just need to get used to the DiS 'cannon' (so to speak) and hopefully then I'll be able to expand my tastes, which is after all one of the main reasons why I come here.
As for the social board; I'm content to let it be. I'm sure if I put in the time I could integrate into it, it's just the time issue really.
Depends what you mean by 'inclusive'.
Like letting the chumpy kid join your gang even though they have naff trainers, but have both a megadrive and a snes?
More like a nob mentality
it's the same with everything
we were all new at one point, you just have to feel your way in
i think with the social, a lot of the in jokes are with people that know each other in real life, and you can't really legislate for that with a way the board is run or designed.
I agree with this
I think this is true of any interactive situation, whether it be online fora, or reali life socilaising. It's human behaviour to form alliances, and we're pack animals, innit?
I do think occasionally it gets a wee bit out of hand, and some of the thinner skinned posters can set themselves up for a massive piss-xtraction. You basically have to have the courage of your convictions and not let things bother you.
Whilst I don't think that DiS is particularly different from any other online community in having its own little groups, one thing i will caveat is that, because of its demographic (mostly very articulate, educated people), it's harder to 'break in' than some- how do I say this- 'softer' (?) online communities. I like it as it is, thanks :-)
Did you just use fora as a plural of forum?
That's incredible. My mind is blown.
Was
this meant to be a joke or are you being serious? It's really hard to tell with forums, but either way you confirm sean's suspicions.
How do you mean? I was just wondering if that was a true word or not.
Either way, it's great.
I think you've maybe misinterpreted the comment ;)
I took this to be gentle mocking/ amused admiration at my use of fora and not (THE INCORRECT) 'forums'. (Actually, both words are correct in English, I'm just a latin lover).
I think i did
I didn't know flora was a word. Aplogies.
I don't think it's that big a problem on the music forum
I can't remember someone getting shot down for their taste in quite a while now. It all feels pretty friendly to me.
As for the social forum, I've promised myself I won't post a serious opinion on there again, because I don't want to get into a nasty arguement. The idle chit chat is OK
Something to add to this
last night I posted in a thread that I wished there was a tracklisting for a mix I was listening to. I log on this morning and someone has found it for me. I think people on here are friendly.
aww, i love a happy ending
No
i've posted tonnes and wasted many many hours of my life over the last few years without really knowing anything about anyone on here or really caring.
it's not hard to get included though
which is why i have a problem with "the silent majority" in this context. it's up to each poster how "included" they want to be
^^^ Still trying to get included.
You've replied in the wrong place.
And accidently typed ^^^ at the start of your post.
x
:D
It's generally speaking a pretty friendly place
There are a few dicks on here but every community has them - i'm not sure what you could do to get rid of them. Some people seem to feel the need to throw their weight around on here - telling new people to "fuck off" if they mention an album/artist that they don't personally value. What's that all about?
But there are also lots and lots of people who just want to help you out - whether that's recommending you a new band you might like or giving you a heads up on ticket sales (the best example being The National tickets for The Electric Ballroom ther other day. What a lovely person).
All in all i remain a big fan.
That's what helps the 'community' feel to it, though.
It's only natural that a forum/community that has been around for 8 years or whatever will have its inside jokes, the people who are well known etc etc. It's just that sometimes it takes a bit of time to get to 'know' a poster, which again, is inevitable. Add in people who know each other in real life, and I can see why people would feel it all a bit impenetrable, but it's not.
It's what you make of it, really.
I don't think it's an overly hostile place to make contributions...
... I have been a member on far worse forums; ones where you could easily be a few key strokes away from getting into a real fight with another person you didn't even know - honestly, things got almost violent. THis place is a breath of fresh air in comparison because every member; regardless of their individual tastes, all share a love of music and that makes it more involving.
I think the only people who might feel a bit pushed out here are those people who have nothing beyond a casual interest in music and that's hardly surprising - this is a music forum, after all, and they tend to atract people who take music a bit more seriously than the majority. If you don't really care about music other than the occasional buy at HMV or Tescos, and most of that forms a background noise to work chores and cleaning, then some of the people on here are going to seem a bit alien to you. If you share the passion, this is the right place to be isn't it? People are always more than willing to talk about music and offer their opinions and you can certainly start to expand your music library by reading the streams of recommendations.
The only thing better than discovering an album/ artist you really like, is telling other people about it. Without that, what's the point?
Don't know if that was mean to be a reply to me or not...
...but, I agree. The social board is worse than the music one, for in-jokes and stuff like that, though. For obvious reasons.
I don't really think so
The Social threads can be a bit in-jokey, but, y'know, that kind of makes sense and they'e hardly intimidatingly so - some people write threads that only exist for the benefit of a few friends, in which case you can just ignore them, shirley? Much rather the DiS mentality than the splurges of bile at places like Guardian Unlimited or NME.com - in terms of bullying/mobs/etc I have to say this seems like an oasis of pleasantness compared to a lot of the interweb.
Agreed
I don't really know any of the in-jokes and I don't think I'll ever get included in any of them, but that doesn't mean I don't love reading the boards and contributing.
There's FAR from a mob mentality here. This is from an occasional contributor.
when your first couple of posts
are met by tl:dr, thats soul destroying. there is also a way that you must word stuff, and you pretty much need to have an opinion on everything.
what i dont like is people going on posts about bands they dont like just to
rubbish them.
and god forbid anyone mentioning a band that has sold alot of records.
thass the danger of the anonymous internet thing
I am a bit amazed every time loads of users go on very specific rants about bands who they know could be reading. That is very lame. Dunno what they are trying to achieve there.
But
there seems to be this elusive figure of the 'true' DiSer. The idea that you have to participate in all social and music threads to make yourself known and accepted. If you're not in the small group of members with 10,000+ posts you're opinions/recommendations/jokes are just overlooked really.
I've been a member of this site for about four years (two usernames) and visit the site every day but I certainly don't feel part of the clique.
...
No-one ignores recommendations or jokes because they're from people who aren't known.
there is definitely some sycophantic behaviour, though.
is that alienating though?
perhaps not, but i can see samganners' point that some people will get comments purely because of their 'status',
whereas others may go ignored.
Not something that bothers me personally, mind.
i would agree with this
unless you go out of your way to be controversial, or if you have breasts
I have 30K posts
and still no one cares about my recommendations...
Everyone hates me on here
I've still wasted too much time over the last 4 or so years of my life on this site, but I still like going on it (just to see witty put downs to my posts from the more well known users).
I think it's good that it's at least a tad cliquey as it established a more community feel and shows that there is a market and target audience for this kind of site.
...
It can feel a bit "Emperor's New Clothes" sometimes.
i wouldn't say that at all
it's more, the emporor can't wear any clothes without getting a comprehensive grilling on every inch of the garment....which i really like....survival of the fittest....if you're talking shit someone will be there to tell you. keeps you on your toes. keeps the ole brain ticking.
Yeah, you might be right. But I get the impression some people say things they think they 'should' say rather than what they actually think (e.g. denying they liked any band that ever sold more than two dozen records).
maybe, i dunno.
most of my posts are just ill thought stream of conscious ramblings that seem to eminate from some sub-conscious idiot blather part of my brain....Dis lets me talk all the crap i'm reluctant to in real life, unless drunk, so i couldn't really talk about heavily mediated opinion.
Its slightly tough to get in but generally you just realise
you have to think through what you say before you say it, otherwise you can get quite the "schooling" as the kids say.
Once you get past that though its pretty wonderful.
I dont get The National though and it makes me feel left out.
Pft, I don't get half the bands people on here seem to really like!
On the other hand, the 'recommend me some sludgey stoner rock' threads are worth their weight in gold to me.
I use these boards to talk about music
which I do and sometimes the social board can be good, although I hardly check it actually. Got to listen to some good music on behalf of recommendations on here and never really felt excluded or put off by anyone.
Sorts out the men from the boys, dunnit?
Yeah I find the music board too intimidating to post on, but thats because i have about 1% of the music knowledge of the regular music board posters on DiS. And I'd much rather people like me didnt decide 'right, i'm gonna become a regular poster on DiS and share to them my love of the Enemy and the Twang' (disclaimer: hate the Enemy and Twang). My knowledge of music and my taste has increase x1billion because of the people on the music board, so yeah i might wanna post there more, but its my own fault i can't, in a way.
You dig?
Awful posting
barely legible
I liked the bit on dissing the Twang and the Enemy though.
everyone is just using wikipedia and allmusic for all the info
that is my theory
Rabble, rabble, rabble!
Rabble!
I just think that some people arn't that into posting
they feel intimidated and not confident enough in their own opinions when they don't really have to worry about it, as there isn't any rights or wrongs its all just opinions on music.
thats true
but if someone wants to put themselves out there as a bit of a nob then thats on them you either take it with a pinch of salt and just talk about the music with them, give them a bit of abuse back for being a tit or ignore them. You're bound to get some twonks but you get them everywhere you go.
you sure talk some sense
for someone who likes all that bleepy bloopy music
;;;;;;;;;;)))))))
:D
mad innit, I even like some of that wub wub wub bleep CRASH wub wub.
Maybe this will bring everyone together, a dubstep remix of Bright Eyes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhAOr7EjKBo lol man I hate dubstep sometimes...
urgggggghhhhhhhh1!!
wubbwubbwubb (1 week ago)
buy far best dubstep song ive ever heard. look at my favorites. ive heard alot.? good shit bro
when that brings people together, that when i'm going into space. Only then.
Jimi, that's amazing.
Literally amazing.
I didn't know it existed
I just thought it'd be funny if it did... and it turns out it does, but its not as bad as I was hoping. Its still pretty rubbish but not on a par with any other artist/song you type into youtube and add dubstep too, esspecialy if its a pop song.
This is alright
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvM9Kewf-pA
oooh, here's another Newsom/Dub remix
The quality is fairly low unfortunately, but still a proper good tune. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tr0nBsXYwc
That is incredible
maybe not good incredible but the fact it exists at all... odd bright eyes track to choose as well. peculiar. This is why I like these boards... this right here.
x
x
:D
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That's friggin' hilarious.
^He needs to go
I mean, wtf?
I know what you mean by the 'knowingly trendy' thing
but you have to remember that many many of the posters are in their teens, or perhaps otherwise relatively new to music, and thus trying to settle into their musical taste. Who the fuck are we to deny them a point of reference (and surely far better to use Dis/pitchfork than the likes of nme). You're damned if you do and damned if you don't where some posters are concerned. If you're true to yourself and your own personal taste (whether that be obscure peruvian folk, or, god forbid, tHe Enemy/Twang) then you set yourself up for mocking, so i can understand why some people want to hide behind their mate's playlist.
The rest of your post is a load of rotting cock.
learning to ignore the people who are only here to wind everyone else up (ie Gregorgregorgregor)
definitely keeps the place tolerable for me.
You see, I don't think that's his sole raison d'etre
I've noticed recently that you get the occasional hint of actual real person from his postings, which makes it such a shame when the remaining 95% of his postings are verbal diarrhea, designed to provoke or upset.
yeah maybe
trying to find the good in an annoying internet messageboard character is a waste of time though surely. I mean even more of a waste of time than arguing about music on the internet!
Wait, what>
I use DiS to discover new bands, I also go to lots of local gigs n the like, I don't want to go to Polka monthly just because its the uncool thing to do, I'm not that try hard.
I will assume that the reply here is at least directed in me as it quotes some of the language I used...
It appears that you are more certain about what accurately defines a 'real music fan' and what doesn't though I cannot claim to know what bands or artists might cut the wheat from the chaff like perhaps you do. I only know that there is a difference between those who listen to music out of a mild interest; catching the occasional up and coming band and buying the odd album which recieved a good write up in the media that week (perhaps) and those people who have an (unhealthy in some cases) hobby based around music.
It is this ATTITUDE towards music - and let's be fair we are the equivelant of 'railway enthusiasts' and there will always be those who know more than others but it's the passion which sets us apart not the knowledge and opinions we have. This is not elitism, just a closed community of ethusiasts and that is the what I sense from this forum.
So by 'casual' I mean just that - 'relaxed', 'irregular' and maybe a bit 'nonchalant' in attitude. Furthermore, when I mention 'Tescos' or 'HMV' I am not suggesting that these places are in any way shameful, I simply wish to stress that they are the types of places where someone with a casual attitude will come into contact with music, largely because they are easy to find and they meet their needs.
Hope that explains things.
this is probably better off
having its own FAQ style thread. i was thinking of having an FAQ kind of board for recurrent questions like "where to start with Tom Waits?" and "Alligator vs The Boxer" - would this be a terrible idea?
Tesco is the worst place ever.
They barely ever have muffins and/or donuts in stock.
indeed
if people knew that much they wouldn't need to be here. everyone has stuff to learn about everything and we're all constantly exposed to things others are passionate about. THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT but somewhere along the way things got a bit 'off message' mebbe.
^^^^ you see, everyone?
...
It's not really about the 'knowing', with music. The discussion and sharing of music isn't knowledge.
What sort of strange logic do you work by?
There is one person here who seems more certain about what makes someone a 'real music fan' and it certainly isn't me. I simply believe that there is a difference in attitude - a passion and a hobby (call it what you like) for music, and that shared by and hence includes, a hell of a lot of people.
What gives you the authority to say I don't have a hobby which involves spending a lot of time listening and talking about music - which is all I have expressed? I think I know that a lot more than you seeing as... well, I am me and you are not.
I find it interesting that you have adopted a sort of pop psychology which involves uncovering apparent contradictions in my character and tastes - perhaps this makes you feel like you have real insight into the 'average DiS poster' you claim to know so well and espouse such apparent contempt for.
And what is this analogy with football you've alluded to? I cannot pretend to understand what you're getting at here but if I am to work with this then I will. I am saying that there is a difference between those people who listen to music on the level of a hobby and those who don't - it's not clear cut (what is in this sense?) but it's definitely identifiable. In the same way, there is a difference between someone who really likes football and cares about it; follows a club loyally and keeps up with the sport and those who watch the occasional match every now and again and cheer on England at internationals. I am neither of these, but I am fully aware of the difference nontheless. I have no time to for the cock jockeys who want to push people out because they don't share 'specialist knowledge' or don't have the right informed opinions and I am sure there's a fair share of those in both the worlds of football and music fandom.
I am puzzled. You seem to have created a membership account on a forum which is largely filled by people you have stuck in a box labeled 'DiS fuckwits' to whom you do not take seriously and have a clear and tangible level of contempt for. If there is a threat of exclusivism then you are encouraging it.
"The new money of the music world"?? Why don't you find the forum where the "old money" resides as it appears you'd be more at home there rather than sully yourself communicating with the likes of us? *shrug*
If I could be bothered I'd have written a similar length tirade
Bravo
?
"And in this thread, you've seemed the most desperate to prove you REALLY LOVE MUSIC MORE THAN ANYTHING, which means you probably don't."
You're basically chocking up the whole of DIS as on entity and using an argumentum ad hominem to discredit it, which is ridiculous.
The soccer player could also just have class and want a Louis Vuitton bag.
I know more about music then you and I'm a member of DIS so your whole argument is invalid. Nice try.
dipshit.
Some of the vitriol
directed at a few members is a bit much (brightonb), even where well-earned (Everett True). It can be pretty ugly to watch.
On the whole, however, I've found the forum pretty friendly from the little time I spend here, and most users mild mannered enough. I wouldn't have said that there's an intimidating atmosphere in the music section, for the most part. I can't comment on social.
Really?
Maybe I'm thick-skinned, but I find it OK. I mean, I've been on the receiving end of some cuntishness (and I can't even remember who from now), but who hasn't? You just shrug and get on with it. Having said that, I've got real life friends on there, so that probably makes it easier to just ignore those that aren't who piss you off.
An internet forum relies on 2 things
1) an active user base
2) A sense of community
the 2nd one results in what your saying, but without it... most forums die or become nothing more then a glorified spam and flame space.
i like to think of DiS as a club with a pub
the site and this forum provides the musical backdrop, meanwhile the social board is like the best pub in the world.... but if we put on rugby instead of the spurs game or the urinals overflow, you soon hear about it!
You need to go to more pubs.
Forum relies on 2 things
Active user base and sense of community, the sense of community leads to cliques but the best boards/forums have them otherwise it just becomes a flame pit where no one cares about anyone's opinion other then their own, at least when people form connections with a userbase of a forum they are more likely to be open minded and actually LISTEN and DISCUSS about things as opposed to just dictating stuff.
:D
this reads like a documentary on prisons
:D
thanks all, this thread has been really kind and allayed many of my fears
Couple of thoughts:
1) I tried to create an unsaid 'rule' once that if you say you don't like something or say something is rubbish, you have to suggest 3 things that person should listen to instead (ideally with links). I think there's a lot we can learn from eachother and although you might not accept someone's opinion, imagine how wrong they're gonna feel when they fall in love with something you recommend (I'm thinking of adding an option like this to our reviews i.e. 'this record is a 6, check out this record instead...' not quite sure how best to do it tho and it'll be incredibly subjective but then isn't everything?
2) Whenever people talk about the snobbery of DiS, I'm always curious whether the dynamic of what people are listening to has shifted and whenever I check this http://www.last.fm/group/DiS, I'm always pleasantly surprised quite how populist it is (sort of).
3) I don't get the opportunity to say this very often, but thank you all for your continued support and contribution to the site, in all the various you find to express your passion for music. I'm working on improving some things with the site and allowing you all to do more and be more involved, as well as find things easier to digest (and obviously for all the bugs to disappear!! new tech guy is meant to be starting tomorrow, as long as he gets server access, so hopefully we can clear up a bunch of the niggles asap)
tl;dr
how was that too long?
Just kidding.
Should have included one of these guys ;)
Hahaha
I'm welling up
can we talk about sex and coffee yet?
Tea before sex please...
...and a biscuit.
I didn't read any of the above^
I think the music and social boards are two different beast really.
The first thing I ever posted on a music hread got the immediate response of (and I quote) "Fuck off!", but once you get used to the give and take, I've always thought it was a brilliant resource for finding out about music. I'm hugely grateful for some of the stuff I've discovered through it, and always thought people were very generous and open (aside from things like obvious spam).
The social board is a whole different ball game though - but is there that much overlap? If you want to come on DiS and talk about music, it's all there for you, and I don't think you have to overcome any in-jokes or hostility to get into it. Whereas the social boards are a far more specific, personality led community, based around puns, shit films, show-off book threads and sexual humiliation. If people want to wade into the joy and mess of it, they can, but it doesn't restrict people who just want to pop in chat about Grizzly Bear.
This is a bit of ramble, I realise.
Yeah, when I first started here I hit the social board a bit, but was never that bothered to get too into it and haven't looked there in over a year
I just go onto the music boards, they're excellent for chatting about stuff and finding out about new music. I'm really grateful for the amount of brilliant things I've discovered over the past six years or so that I've frequented DiS. I'd say that along with Plan B (RIP) and Wire it's played a huge part in the formation of my current music taste.
I've never found the music board to be particularly mobbish or cliquey, it's just people talking about music they love innit? Maybe getting a little overheated about it occasionally, but that's part of the fun. And it tends to be pretty friendly, if a little banterish -- I can't really think of anyone on there who behaves like the opinions of someone who's just joined are any more valid than one of the long-term, 10000 plus people.
I agree with this.....^
.....so i dont even look at the social board nether mind post....
I have used the tastes to widen my own.....before I used DiS I had never heard of Liars, Decemberists, Of Montreal and lots of others that fill my racks now....(though the bosrds love of Ys baffles me)......
Just jump in there....
Definitely not...
... and we're so offended by the implication you can expect a hundred DiSsers with flaming brands and pitchforks outside your office tomorrow.
fs. Aye, I didn't read any of the above^
n they way I cope with that whole 'mob' thing is simply not caring about it at all. which is why I talk complete n utter shite most of the time. I'm never in a million years a 'good' poster, I'd much rather put in an off the shoulder remark here or there, which sometimes gets ignored n kills threads? That's fine. Or being deliberatly contrary to spice up a thread, it's as simple as that. For the 'mob'; they seem pretty content with what they do, as much as sometimes I think to myself after reading one of their posts - "utter bawbag", it's fine, it's their perogative. AS is it's ours to fuck it all up for them/ruin threads ";)"
That last idea's interesting (not that the rest wasn't)
I envisage snapshots of new profiles, with a box underneath so you can write a welcome note or appreciation of their music taste - it could go down the right hand side when you're browsing forums. Open to abuse from both parties, of course. However, I could see myself connecting with someone for a brief moment and maybe seeing my 15-year old self - just branching out into further alternative music - in a user and wanting to give them a welcome note.
Just a suggestion that's taken longer to type than to think of.
"Sometimes though, just for fun, I imagine my friends here as little puppets who talk to me and that is fun"
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_DjWYoGKQFxc/SD1mS1rmZUI/AAAAAAAAATA/Xg5efAPnt4U/bb2_dolls.jpg
:-D
Incidentally, can I say how glad I am that you did put a picture up? You truly have the face of a saint. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bQ0SqifjNcg/Sy6RVGAL0II/AAAAAAAAK1I/JiuUKNP52Nw/s400/saint-bernard-7.jpg
SAFETY WINK
Seriously though, you can't say something like
"I can't remember half the wonderful things I've been called here: I wish I would have kept a log of them- it was. quite honestly, amazing stuff."
and not expect a deluge of abuse. You massive monkey-felching cheddar-chundering twat-badgering junk nugget.
Well, when you figure it out, let me know. I'm curious myself.
I'd rather not see photos like that while I'm eating beetroot though, kthnxbai.
A few thoughts from a newbie
I've read DiS for a few years now but only registered and started posting on the forums late last year, after browsing them for a good several months.
My first impressions from DiS was that it was a fairly elitist site in certain ways - certain artists were cool, others - usually ones that were 1) popular 2) had changed style from their debut/first few albums 3) both - were met with automatic derision, sometimes from the reviewers and more regularly from the members who posted comments on the reviews. It made me really apprehensive towards the site but I did keep it in my bookmarks because as a news site DiS was pretty excellent.
Anyway, one day that right-hand side "what's happening in the forums" bit had an interesting topic title and I gave the forums a browse, which then became semi-active lurking and finally actual registration so I could sometimes fart my thoughts out here. Completely opposite to what you would expect, the DiS forums are actually surprisingly civilised. Hell, probably moreso than a lot of other music forums I go to. I've been gobsmacked a few times when a few topics that usually are a surefire way to cynical e-penis bickering contests have actually had genuine discussion here; off the top of my head the RHCP topic around Frusciante's leave and the R.E.M. topic last year-ish.
I probably rambled a bit out of topic here but it's the way I've perceived this place anyway. I don't think DiS is as cliquey as I once upon a time I did and even the once-murky grounds of review comments have 'grown up' in the past half a year or so - possibly helped by the fact that DiS the site doesn't revel anymore in bash-reviewing every single a band that's cool to hate has released for some cheap shots and the reviews in general these days have much less of the "opinion decided beforehand" mentality going on. If there's a stigma to DiS, it's probably leftovers from the site's past rather than an accurate representation of its present.
Nobody understands me.
It's a shame.
i love DiS
i'm not a well known poster (be nice if i didn't get ignored on tinychat tho hahahahaha), people don't tend to respond to what i say that often but i'd like to think this is because i don't go trolling at all, my posts are more like a blog where i throw in multiple angles on the topic - so there's less room for debate/shouting me down. i also post alot at weekends and weekdays after 10pm when there are less people online.
the social board has provided many many laughs, especially after i got to recognise the most regular posters, to that point where you can predict the reactions of certain people. michael_w's poo thread had me crying with laughter for ages. i'm gonna go find it actually...
poo thread?
did i do a poo thread?
...'did i do a poo'...
lolz.
woops
it wasn't you, it was DanielKelly !
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4207671
that's cool. i imagine your thought process:
'ha!...man...just thinking about that poo thread gets me going. real good stuff. what a kick. funny thing is, i can't quite remember who wrote such a funny thread. hmm....i dunno. well...that michael_w...he's a card, always coming out with funny sufff. it was probably him'.
cheers kid.
your involvement in the only thread of real merit
the "your music" board has (unfortunately) produced has endeared you to me for life sir. i salute you.
I AM LOVED!!!!
indeed, been meaning for ages to go back to that thread and finish off listening to all the bands mentioned.
...time to have a look (unless it's completely drownedinspam)
I want to concur that..
you dont need to post on the social bpard to enjoy it. I have wiled away hours at work watching car crashes of threads but not posting. My recent fave being the guardian soulmates calamity. That.Was.Awesome.
huzzah....now that definitly WAS me.
poor girl.
poor, poor girl.
I think the music board is much more friendly now
that it was a few years ago...
I attribute it entirely to KiK.
He's like the loveable-but-clueless fat kid who brings the whole community together against him until he's attacked by outsiders, at which point they defend him to the hilt. Just in time for the school prom.
Nah it's all good. People seem cool actually :) And reading the train wreck threads is muchos fun!haha
.
i don't think it's a problem though. a group of people might appear to be cliquey because they share similar values/beliefs, but they will still occasionally disagree with them on some arguments. i don't think they decide what to say because of some form of 'peer pressure'
What mob? Where?
I don't know, I post a little here and there, not very frequently. I like to read the threads more than I like to write. It's probably cause I'm not english and getting my point out requires a lot of brainwork and I'm usually just not bothered.
I've found plenty of great new music through the boards that I probably wouldn't have found otherwise (danananana, Future of the Left, jimi's dubstep recommendations to name a few) and I enjoy reading the threads with quarrel and funny insults.
I haven't really noticed an evil mob mentality, though I rarely pay attention to who's saying what and I don't recognize many usernames apart from the obvious characters. I haven't gotten into many conflicts and when I have, it's been amusing, because I always win and I'm always right. I don't use any other forums, but I have the feeling this one has a quite low percentage of absolute idiots. Don't really read the social board apart from the football threads. They are usually fun and informative.
cheers
my thoughts
music board = great. Tonnes of really informative threads, people who know their stuff and want to enthuse about things etc etc.
Social board = occasionally fun. Too many in-jokes/really utterly pointless attentions seeking threads tho. But like others have said, you can ignore it, so y'know.
it used to be a lot worse
Just started posting three or four months ago on the music board (I think) ...
but I have found the place very welcoming up to now and extremely informative. Incredible the numbers of bands I've checked out from different threads last year that I came to love. Brilliant!
I've been reading the website and lurking in the forum for years
But I've only recently started posting over the last year or so. Don't know why I didn't post before, but it's certainly not because I thought it was cliquey. Couldn't be arsed I suppose.
I reckon the music forum is exactly what it should be; somewhere were like minded souls can discuss music, and be turned on to things they might not have heard otherwise. I've never found it exclusive.
fuck niggerz.
if you mean you get a hard time for shooting down the "in" bands regular DiSers love then yes
There are some bands such as Rolo Tomassi, Animal Collective and Johnny Foreigner that I completely detest - attack one of these "untouchable" dogshit bands and watch them come after you! I dip in out of the site a couple of times a day for ten mins at a time and I have to say there are some superemely elitist snobs on here. There's also this stupid rules some user quoted back at me when I was new asking me the who the fuck i was cos i had a post count of less than a thousand. excuse me?
You'd probably be better off not taking it all so seriously...
...
internet is serious business
Rolo Tomassi, Animal Collective and Johnny Foreigner all "untouchable"?
You and me have been reading different forums, blud. But maybe next time start a thread about a band you actually like, rather than an "XX band are dogshit", and you might get a more positive response.
I've just realised there is actually a band called the XX.
AMBIGUITYFAIL.
You can’t be any geek off the street,
gotta be handy with the steel if you know what I mean,
earn your keep.
wrong board
you fucking prick
;)
There's a social thread?
:0
I don't really see how anyone can claim this
considering there's a constant turnover in who posts regularly.
From a low poster
As someone who generally just scans and doesn't post, clearly there's a balance among the frequent posters where they either: 1. offer well-informed opinions, in which case their high post count kinda gives them a license to express them, since they've clearly invested time into this thing, or 2. just post to dick on other people, or waste time (maybe they're bored).
Along the lines of what Saint_Cronin was saying, the more that people post, the more you get used to their shtick and their forum approach, and you start to get their character a bit. So if I see Cronin's name in a thread I generally pay attention, whereas when other names crop up I just ignore them. And some people do 1. and 2. at different times, or both at once, and you just get used to it.
I was trying to think why I don't really post, so if I speak for anyone else in the silent majority I'd just say I enjoy the opinions of the people who know their stuff, I wish I didn't have to scroll through 50 posts of crap sometimes to find them, but if I felt I had something to add to a thread I wouldn't be intimidated to add it.
DiS is no worse and no better than anywhere else
Well - better than 4chan, obvs.
Some people are just too thin-skinned for the internet. MAN UP.
Has anyone said
knob mentality yet? I looked through but couldn't see it.
if not. KNOB MENTALITY.
On the whole it's okay, I imagine if you want/care to be accepted by a supposed clique and you're not really part of that gang who actually meet in real life it might be a bit of a bummer, but for the casual reader/poster like me it's generally fine.
I definitely think I'm above it all though.
No one is as elitist as me.
FTW.
i read more than i post
but in my experience the tone of the boards is healthily cynical; i almost always laugh out loud at something i read on here.
generally i think people are pretty welcoming too, i've always been a bit wary of starting threads but have no problems with contributing to others.
I really like it here.
I spend more time on DiS than any other website by a fucking country mile.
The music boards I find very informative and interesting and have picked up lots of new bands from many posters and whenever they post on the music boards I always check out what they have to say.
The social boards I think are just a bit of good old fun, some very witty folk on here and i enjoy the banter that flies around. Its also a good place to get info on all sorts of things such as getting info from folk who have been to stockholm, book/film recommendations etc etc.
I don't know anyone that posts here in real life and have only met 1 Disser in the flesh but i do feel very much at home here and i hope that continues.
You're a bunch of alright cunts, know whit a mean :)
Yeah, there is
and I'm logging off.
Generally, was just here to discuss music I like and find out about new music etc. Made a couple of naive posts. Slated some artists I shouldn't have bothered slating. Learned you don't get away with any of it. Tried to play the game a bit, didn't get anywhere with that either.
Yeah, whatever, didn't join up to make friends but it's got to the point where I have nothing left to post. Not interested. I like the site and the Reviews section. Will keep checking back. But the forums are not for me. A few people seemed alright but generally, no.
Wish I could say it's been fun, but it hasn't.
Apart from finding out that 'You & Me' and 'Lisbon' are great, it's been a complete waste of my time.
There ya go, wolves, just cued you up for a load of insults and 'Dunno who you are, pal' comments.
Whatever, talk amongst yourselves.
I'm out.
you're back?
^this
And who's 'Ag'?
Do these guys know each other EyeAreEll?
frank knows everyone :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZIgJndVaN4
Baaaaawwww, people have different opinions to you
So?
is there such a thing
as a good 'signing off' post?
i don't think i've ever seen one.
as much as someone may have an urge to explain themselves and their reasons for saying leaving, it's really hard not to come across as attention-seeking.
better just to slip away silently...
'leaving', not 'saying leaving'.
because that doesn't make sense.
my my
hey hey
rock and roll is here to stay?
Oh come on,
You post one lengthly thread slagging off an artist and a whole raft of posts being snarky to other users and you wonder why you get people's backs up?
I've never met an online community as welcoming to newcomers as DiS, and, compared to most places, it's incredibly tolerant of idiots too.
Actually marckee is very much correct
I'd say only a few people ever get peoples backs up, and they tend to either be the incredibly narrow-minded/attention seeking or needy ones.
Surely they'd be pretty friendly?
As long as you didn't go on there to be contentious I imagine you'd get a warm welcome. You're their target audience!
Actually I do.
Great bunch of lads.
Lots of top threads:
“Do Jews have teeth?”
“Have I been strung up?”
“Where do I start with Screwdriver?”
There’s some great users on there, such as Whiteprussian, jewygohome, and The_Incapacitant.
And they have a ‘^heil’ button too.
LOLocaust
^heil
Could've sworn I posted in this the first time around.
No, I don't think there is.
mob in the loosest sense of the word
its like finding the chess club at school intimidating.
Ive just kinda jumped in
Slow day at the office.
^ GET HIM
OR HER
late, but
i think this kind of thing is symptomatic to all message boards and online communities. as first/second generation web users, we're still guinea pigs in the social/psych study that is the internet. this issue is one of the more fundamental ones to come to light from our online adventures so far. see also: http://charman-anderson.com/2010/10/05/a-comment-on-comments/
Or both
You're really for it now
Y'know
this is just a message board right? Why would anyone care about being excluded from a message board?!
I'm not part of the clique, but I love watching the bitchy little fights between them, it's one of the best reason for coming on here. last week someone "lolled" at something and the reply was something like "you're a greebo in ill fitting black clothes, that gets shagged by ugly, obese women who also like angry music" :) If you make this place "inclusive" and nice I wouldn't get to read exchanges like that and world would be duller for it.
I do also enjoy reading a good spat on occasion
Do you
wanna form an internet clique and make some excluded people cry?
Fuck off you little shit
:)
you're a greebo in ill fitting black clothes, that gets shagged by ugly, obese women who also like angry music...
AWWW SHEEIT
I actually have no idea what greebo is/was except when we were twelve one of my fiends told me he wanted to die his hair black with a red fringe cos 'its greebo- its cool'
is this close to the mark?
when I was a kid
In my small town, we called greasy not quite grunge people greebos, sort of the cross between a crusty and a metal fan. But it may have meant something different in the big bad wide world.
Anyway, lets here it for the greebos, the crusties and you and I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RURI8xCb74
Oh Grebo I Think I Love You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLOCQpsmutk
;)
:D
I want to thank you for bringing that to my attention.
brightonb was on his game last week.
ah, that was brilliant.
brightonb getting ultra angry. :D
That was it!
Brightonb and Ryu. It was one of the best message board moments of my career. If that doesn't pull the shy frightened little newbies in to the fold nothing will.
link plz
GaGa thread....
oh actually I lie talking during bands thread even
It's here:
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4268756
See!
Brilliant!
:'''D
Genuine LOLing (which is awkward because I'm eating couscous, and also because my flatmate thinks I'm reading srs academic stuff). I thought there'd at least be some build-up. I'm getting that printed and framed <3
I know!
Going from nought to FURIOUS RAGE in five seconds flat. He must have been having a bad day.
:)
I'm thinking of getting it tattooed on my face.
I love this thread for one reason
it brings up Mobb Deeps profile at the bottom of the page :D
Every man for himself on this board we be gunnin',
and keep them shook crews runnin'.
I'm goin out postin', taking my enemies with me
and if not they scarred so they will never forget me.
Nope
Every fucker has a victim complex, mind.
Why is this thread back, anyway?
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4246972#r5620245
But the real treat is TBO's sudden return for the sake of providing supporting testimony
The funniest thing about this
– if you've seen the DRAMA posts in the Lady Gaga thread, like this one: http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4268843#r5619569 – is that he got upset at marckee "resurrect[ing] this dead thread 2 days later" and then came here to bump a discussion from eight months ago.
Oh THAT'S where I recognise the username from.
I haven't been in that gaga thread since I had the Final Say, and that was about 3 posts in. Any good crack in there? I can't imagine there is.
Incidentally; when capitalising "that's", does the "s" get capitalised too? Hmmm.
Frankly, your panda gif is one of the few high points
unless you like people who get angry and upset when someone uses a word they don’t know.
Wasn't your first post just
:D? That's all I see, although if that's correct then I am unsure why 6 people this'd it.
...
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4246972#r5620245
I still read the music board every day
as i still get stuff recommended which I might not know about... gave up on social a while ago though. I get my daily lolz and chat and thing from 365 these days.
I like it here
Well not here. I like the social board.
well then gtfo
^the friendly face of the music board
so it seems
Hey, I'm nice.
c'mon back any time. Just don't talk about Radiohead please.
I will come back
I won't talk about Radiohead.
It's okay
I'm never self-encouraged enough to actually post often though because people seem to only reply to their friends.
if that were true
no one would ever reply to me :(
I think I had to post well over 1000 times before I ever got a reply.
That's probably just because of the low standard of my posting, mind.
maybe you needed a wackier username?
What happened to gayforconneroburst anyway?
He, uh, changed his username to something less wacky.
"guntrip"?
"gashwrecker"?
That's not true, useded
Look, I'm replying to you now!
I was posting for ages before I built up a rapport with other people on here. People reply to their friends more often than to people they don't know, which I guess is natural – still, it's not exclusive.
I guess so
Maybe I should start my own posting style. Like end each post or topic with a picture of roadkill or something!
"Mob mentality" is a bit strong, but I can see why somebody would think that.
I don't post too often
as well. Only when I think I have something to say!
I sometimes make a point of answering threads with only one or two responses. Even jags! I supppose its my own way of fighting the 'I don't post in your thread because I dont' know you' syndrome. Maybe more people should do that.:)
i know this is mega late to this thread
but what everyone is saying about you needing to be 'established' to get a reply to your posts is (from my perspective) not true at all. I'll reply to stuff that interests me/when i have something to say. Maybe a lot of the people who have been on here a long time have just had a lot of interesting things to contribute? On the social board it is probably true that the more you post the more 'banter' and involvement there is with the community, but on the music board it's all about people posting interesting stuff, and that doesn't matter if you have 1 post or 100,000 posts.
Female posters...
different set of rules.
I agree with what you are saying though,
just being snide.
haha, nevertheless you may be right!
Correct
and it's also the reason I still hang about here while completely avoiding the colossal waste of everyone's time over on Line 2 - MB4EVA!
*fist bump*
I mean I would go there to chat politics
but there's a depressingly 'rational' centrist imperative there and my views would be roundly dismissed/mocked/hounded by the baying insecure loons
besides, as any fool knows, any socialist movement worth its salt begins at the venues :D \m/
*shakes head*
^ baying insecure loon
^ Rhyming slang for compliant goon
And people say these cockney cash machines are too hard to understand.
yes
but they're all wet assholes so I wouldn't want to be part of the mob
P.S. MOBB DEEP RULES OK
tellem
scared to death, scared to look, they shook
cos aint no such thing as halfway crooks.
livin' the live that of diamonds and guns
there's numerous ways you can choose to earn funds funds
Got enough shots to share for all those, who wanna profile and post.
this you in your face
stab your brain with your keyboard
you all alone in these forums, cousin
is there a mafia mentality?
maybe? I could see Don Bamos taking off.
Just started posting today
after only reading for a while. Will let you know...
Jokes aside, it seems an alright place.
tl;dr
:D
You must rank all Weezer and Radiohead albums.
If you get it right, you might could make it round these parts.
That sounds
mighty could.
That sounds
mighty could.
That sounds
mighty could.
That sounds
mighty could.
(just so you know, I WILL keep posting this until it arrives in the right fucking place - grrr)
That sounds
mighty could.
That sounds
mighty could.
Aaah fuck it
who cares about a mob mentality - it's the actual forum itself that has it in for some of us it seems.
Those replies were supposed to be a reply to theShipment's post below.
Ah, well, ok...
I like Buddy Holly, y'know? Or, I did, not heard it in a few years probably. So, maybe Blue first, yeah? Am I doing it right? I do/did actually own/have illegal copies of the first four Weezer albums. Maladroit was pretty ace. At the time... Ah sod it.
My Dad did once preach at his church and start the sermon by playing Hash Pipe though. True story.
I've never heard a Radiohead album. Can I choose Yo La Tengo instead?
THREADS MASH
Heeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyy........
Look who's back........
Just my little joke : D
theShipment rocks by the way.
textbook
You got
us all worried. ;
Is it too late to do a "is there a moob mentality on DiS?" parody thread?
it is, isn't it?
I'm afraid so.
a minute's silence to acknowledge the lost opportunity?
usually just whatever pants I've had on all day
HTH
i still havnt figured out how to make a board post
how the fuck is it done?
'start a new topic' bubble
At the bottom of a subforum page
I hardly ever post on here
but I find that i usually get replies and people and quite gentle.
Goes to show there must be at least a couple proper lads on here eh.