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if i was feeling sinister i'd say i'd read (well, written) this premise elsewhere http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article7013863.ece
i tried to find anything i'd said that was horrid or anything that DiS had said. maybe it was something in that BBC Sound of 2010 thread, long before she was tipped.
He throws his weight about innit. And fruit.
C'mon, man... Uffie, leave it.
Stopped reading at that point, seemed utterly pointless.
Outside of the question of the article's argument (and the question of whether rock, indie or otherwise, is an effective vehicle for political critique and transformation), are there seriously people in the world who believe this?
i like to group them under the umbrella term "fucking mongolords"
if a bit sympathetic
who think music with an overt political message is inherently better than music that doesn't.
LOOK AT ALL THIS EVIL UNPOLITICAL MUSIC THEY'VE SPAWNED. Do they really think six bands with references to beaches in their names is proof that American youth is deliberately ignoring Iraq?
It's basically just another lament over the extreme wussiness of a lot of current music. But the point about 'blog rock' consensus is well made - pitchfork/stereogum/DIS etc etc all fawn over exactly the same acts.
and it's popularity is no sign of an increase in it's existence but an increase in the publics awareness and favour of it. Likewise, there's a lot of music with political messages out there too, it's just not in focus right now and has to be seeked out. The writer of that article has the gull to say that there should be a healthy contrast as if music or art should be some kind of democracy where we give equal attention to both sides, regardless of our own personal feelings. Maybe Pitchfork and DIS should make sure that for every two lo fi reviews, they should review two records with a strong political message? Things go in and out of style, genres are reactions to their forbearers. A lot of these bands probably do have political stances anyhow, they just choose not to express it in their music. Personally, I don't see how emotional politics are any less important then world politics anyways, isn't that the root of it. Hopefully this made sense, I'm half asleep but silly article isn't it?
It's highly irresponsible to think otherwise.
but, there is a certain, smug self-satisfaction I get from a lot of the popular American indie stuff at the moment, which I don't care for at all. A lot of the highly rated stuff from last year could have been a hit with middle-aged 80's yuppie dads. I'm not calling for the second coming of Rage... but I'll take my rock music with a little more piss and vinegar please.
Looking like a complete idiot nowadays. Because there isn't a clear definition between 'the oppressed' and 'the oppressors'. Anything with meaning has to be nuanced into a song. Which is something I particularly like about the new These New Puritans album. I think there is a quite basic message there but veiled quite cleverly without being smug.
it's like a michael haneke film...you know there are insidious political clouds hanging overhead...but the artist doesn't have to go...MILK AND FLOWERS, NOT FUCKING ROAD SIDE BOMBS, YEAH?...OBAMA IS JUST AN ANAGRAM OF 'WELL MEANING BUT STILL JUST AS FLAWED, WHERE DID IT ALL GO WRONG BUSH, YEAH?'
...for something to be 'political'.
OMG AND THE ALBUM IS CALLED HIDDEN!!!11!!!.
swear down i only just realised that at the end there.
what people were saying about pub rock (lacking substance and creativity, fearing innovation and imagination i.e. most 'pop' and landfill indie) and prog (self-consumed, self-indulged, pastoral, sci-fi, etc... i.e. chill-fi, chillwave, glo-fi, no fi, blogtronica, blog-rock...) and does this mean Punk 2.0 is on its way?
You expect punk 2.0 to be musically innovative rather than politically important?
I'd say a lot of the "indulgent" bands around share a lot in common with post-punk rather than prog anyway.
Also think its dumb to think music can only be political by commenting on the current foreign policy rather than being a little more broad or reflecting attitudes people have towards life.
When its done right, a song about relationships can resonate culturally and portray society better than any song about war and peace. For example, Scott Walker, early solo stuff, The Smiths, Joy Division etc. Its not just adolescent angst, its also a portrayal of a very bleak period.