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Anyone know any more? I can only see part of the story as I'm not a Music Week subscriber :(
“ATP without the holiday camp” sounds suspiciously like “ATP in a field”
the holiday camp is the best bit.
showers! beds! fry ups in the morning! swimming pool! pizza hut buffet! mini golf! when it's raining you don't get wet! arcade machines! i could go on...
I don't mean to sound like a massive old man but hopefully this new venture means they will come to my house
in a city - like Meltdown or Unsound - would be my guess, or maybe something like Supersonic.
in a town that you can't locate
in venues not yet build
just to say they were the first
In all seriousness its probably a Field Day type venture
That's just what everyone wants from ATP isn't it?
Supersonic's the way to go.
All Tomorrow's Parties is to continue its 10th anniversary celebrations in 2010 with a sister event, described by ATP founder Barry Hogan as “ATP without the holiday camp”.
The event, which was founded in 1999 by Hogan from the ashes of Belle And Sebastian’s Bowlie Weekender, held an official 10th anniversary event on the weekend of December 11-13 at Butlins Minehead.
This marked the start of a year of celebrations that will last until December 2010, including the creation of a new event with a similarly Velvet Underground-inspired name – I’ll Be Your Mirror – which is intended to reflect ATP’s indoor festival approach.
“When the Velvet Underground released All Tomorrow’s Parties, I’ll Be Your Mirror was the B-side,” Hogan explains. “We’re going to be doing a sister event for ATP, which will be like ATP without the holiday camp.”
As yet details are lacking but Hogan says that it will involve “three or four venues under one roof, probably in a big city”, with London a possibility.
ATP is also set to repeat its In Between Days initiative next year, in which around 300 guests stayed on at Butlins in the week between two ATP weekend events.
Other anniversary events include The Stooges playing their classic Raw Power album in full, marking 10 years of ATP as well as the fifth anniversary of its Don’t Look Back events, in which a band plays a classic album from start to finish.
In addition, Hogan says that the event is close to confirming a curator for its Christmas 2010 event that will potentially be “great for ATP”.
“We are always looking to improve what we do – every time you go there [to ATP] there is something new and improved. We are striving to make it fresher and better each time,” Hogan says.
However, the 10-year success of ATP has thrown up an interesting competitor, with Live Nation launching its own festival-within-a-Butlins event in the shape of Playaway.
“I am not really sure what they are trying to put on,” Hogan says. “Live Nation haven’t had an original idea in their bones since they were born.”
an event headlined by Calvin Harris and Scouting For Girls is really setting itself up as a direct competitor to ATP.
...I think it is pretty obvious what they are trying to put on - a festival for kids who like shit indie, of which there are millions. His guffy indie boy comment makes him look like a bit of pillock.
I can't really think of too many places that would be suitable for that.
93 Feet East? A student union building somewhere? The Dome?
RFH + Ballroom + QEH + Purcell Room?
Yowsa, i thought that must have gubbed money all over the place. I guess it would be slightly more appealing in May though.
They managed 70. Which was a shame. Good fun though, so I hope they are indeed doing it again.
but wasnt there liek dirty three, josh t pearson etc playing?
Until you consider the [physical, mental, emotional, financial] cost of that plus one of the weekends. Or both weekends.
I'd go again in May if I could, mind you.
even if I could afford it. It's like a week and a half off as well..
was used in exactly this way for the Invada thing back in September. Mogwai aside it was rubbish, but that isn't the point - there must be loads of venues like that round the country.
and feeling a bit knackered/crabby. I only managed to see about 3 bands though.
a northern ATP would be GREAT.
They need to stop doing that.
obviously the 'no advertising' stance would count out the academys in manchester, or any other city for that matter... but wasn't one of the halloween events at an o2 venue?
rock city/basement/rescue rooms/stealth please :)
not been to another festival where there is an illuminated Burger King sign to my left for much of the weekend. I appreciate they (or Pizza Hut or Carlsberg) aren't actually sponsoring the event by they sure are benefitting.
ATP uses plenty of venues that have a sponsor tie-in, but ATP does not rely in any way or form on funding from commercial partners (unlike Primavera or Supersonic for example).
and being sponsored by it are not really the same... although i do see your point.
have it at Birmingham Custard Factory plz
with all those excellent bitter-bars.
However, I'd also argue that their constant use of ticketmaster is tantamount to sponsorship/advertising. It's where you draw the line i guess.
the events would be a lot harder to run.
plus they put everything on wegottickets as well, find me another large promoter who does that? uh, yeah, right, none of them do.
No ticket agencies, no booking fees, excellent line ups, excellent festivals.
ATP do put them on wegottickets, but not at first, so for events that are going to sell fast (Pavement) you have the joy of being bummed a £65 booking fee for a single transaction by seetickets. Cheers.
Pavement is pretty much the only time where that has ever happened for ATP and i can't imagine there's anyone else where that would happen again.
also you realise that see buys tickets for ATP in advance, so massively helps the events go ahead?
i really wish ticketing agencies would just include their cut in the price.
I completely understand why they use them, I just don't like ATP making out that they are the good guys when they use similar tricks to the mega-festivals that they claim to be against.
For MBV NBC you pretty much had to use See as well if you wanted to be sure of getting tickets before sell out. That might have been indie-panic ythough but you didn't know that at the time.
I think the EotR comparison is a good one though as it is the same amount of people, more similar acts than you would first realise and therefore a surprisingly similar crowd (minus the families basically). They manage to do one festival a year, truly not have any advertising/sponsorship and make it all work somehow.
and I for one will not tolerate any kind of suggestion that we should be grateful to the fuckers.
Ticket agencies no more provide a service than a fucking pimp.
i love indie mifflers
... automatically not make them the good guys? At the end of the day they are still a business. I wish they didn't use seetickets and think they are quite clever at the timing of their announcements to make the most of sales but that doesn't automatically make them the same as the big festivals. The EotR festival is not really a fair comparison as it isn't set in a Holiday camp and they only do it once a year, same with offset festival.
or being once a year makes it no comparison.
... it being in a holiday camp makes it a total different event to organise and pay for. Also running 4+ (more if you include international) is a lot different then just having to do the one. And I didn't say it was 'no' comparison, just not a fair one.
both music festivals, both the same size, both booking similar bands (in part), used to be one a year. It's hardly comparing the Radio 1 big weekend and Bloodstock is it?
... if you think it is the same then fair enough. Radio 1 big weekend and Bloodstock are probably more similar to organise the ATP and EOTR are though; just booking different types of act.
from the burger king or pizza hut, so you are a bit of dickhead for accusing them of having those places at the festival as they already exist there.
"we are having a completely ethical festival at the Esso refinery" you would say "that's fine, the Esso refinery was there already"?
srsly though, i don't think its a very apt comparison. its a bit like saying that they're being sponsored by grolsch if they have a gig in a venue where thats the only beer on tap. its a service provided by the venue, not a direct corporate endorsement.
i think the point ATP is making when it says that is that no sponsorship = no outside interference in the running of the festival. sponsors want their brands associated with something because it attracts their target market and they tend not to like it if what their sponsoring changes its tone a lot and its a good thing ATP is not beholden to the money of a sponsor in order to function.
there is a clear line. I am just a little sore with them after they said to me "would you rather be stood in a field drinking over priced bad beer at a sponsored event" and I thought, well I (at that point) have to drink shit carlsberg in a Butlins at a not that cheap price - is it really that different?
But yes, I completely understand the difference between sponsors and their meddling and having certain brands available, and no they don't claim to be massively ethical, more that they are not like the mega-festivals, and there of course, is a load of truth in that.
I just sometimes find their stance (mainly J.Summers) unhelpfully defensive on all of these points, when really the festival is strong enough to not need to pretend it is something it isn't. If he just said "we have to use seetickets or we can't get the bands" I would be completely happy. Likewise it was ridiculous when he recently claimed that the food at ATP is amazing!
In short, employ me to deal with PR and customer service and the festival will be even better than the already very very good it currently is.
I don't recall Jamie saying that food was amazing, but maybe I missed something. Perhaps you are talking about his comment that the food at some of the major festivals is rather poor, which seemed to imply that ATP's food was better (Jamie later said that his comment had nothing to do with ATP though, regardless of the fact the thread was about ATP itself). Anyway prove me wrong please.
Anyway I thought the food at the last two ATP's was amazing. Fantastic fryups in the morning(well more like afternoon), coupled with delicious healthy burritos, mouth watering pasta and amazing Thai curries for dinner. All cooked in the comfort of the chalet, can't beat it really.
Fetch the gun.
I agree with you that the food on offer is generally quite poor and have stated this before, however to be fair it's beyond ATP's control. Not like they can change the menu a Burger King.
I'm still waiting for you to post a link to where Jamie said the food was amazing. Go on prove me wrong please and I'll cook you an amazing meal at the next ATP.
who don't put words in my mouth, talk complete rubbish and make repeated retarded accusations against us. Weird eh?
I keep forgetting we aren't allowed to post anything remotely negative about the festival as you post on here.
Sorry Jamie, it's like totally awesome and I loves it, and is perfect in every way XXXoX
Does ATP market itself as a completely ethical festival? I thought they just didn't rely on sponsorship money.
You are making that up. All they said there was no sponsorship. Which is rare. They state that they don't have any sponsorship and they take no money from outside companies but you don't seem like you can comprehend that. Your Esso comment is proof of what a complete arsehole you sound.
Thanks. And they don't make any money from seetickets then? That deal with them is just because they are bezzie mates and they like to help each other out. Excellent.
God I fucking hate the internet, but am unfortunately addicted.
is based on how many tickets see pay for in advance. it's hardly THE SEETICKETS ATP FESTIVAL CURATED BY PAVEMENT, is it?
using seetickets/ticketweb/ticketmaster is a boon for any promoter. they all have such large footprints online that you sell tickets just by being listed there. i had an event on ticketweb that i didn't even promote as being through TW (only ever made mention it was on WGT) yet about 10% of the total tickets sold were through TW. people just go to these sites and look through the listings and buy tickets.
...you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Promoters get the face value of the ticket and the booking agencies get the booking fee.
As Guntrip says, promoters use ticketing companies for so many reasons, it doesn't mean they are unethical as you claim. They are probably trying to shift the tickets and having been someone who went to the Bowlie weekender, when See were known as Wayahead, ATP used them to sell tickets alongside Ticketweb so it seems if anything ATP are being loyal and not half the stuff you accuse them of. So shut the fuck up, you sound like a stupid cunt and everyone has had enough of your miffling shit.
for different ticketing companies too for the promoters?
that may be a factor when choosing who to use if so.
select made the programmes and stuff and think they gave away issues, the next year the programme said something like 'you wont see these bands in select' found that weird and grated a little at the time, select was great. But yeah people seem to think ATP is beyond criticism when its not, having said that it is still pretty good and theres not much else like it
couldnt care less about sponsorship to be honest, dont like the burger kings etc because its just not as nice as camber was is my only objection
Like Dot to Dot, but with less bands that sound like Foals.
that the Manchester Academies are not corporately sponsored. They are part of the University. Might be wrong though.
Manc Academy 1,2,3 and 4 would be an ace place to hold something like this. Great rooms with great sound. A main street in Manchester, right next to the curry mile. I'd be well into that.
I don't think so anyway.
matt groening atp has pretty much sold out?
this thread and laughing non-stop, I am proud to call JimmyHuntspill my friend. Why does everyone get so angry on the internet?!