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If not then Mike Joyce needs some love. Big big love
Andy Rourke did. Because he was the bassplayer.
I'm fairly sure this is wrong. Just because you play the instrument doesn't mean you wrote the bits for it. Otherwise there would be a real issue whenever a full orchestra sat down to play.
Marr wrote em, Rourke played em.
he wrote the famous barbarism begins at home tho surely... that came from a jam between him, joycer and marr.
I was pointing out that it definitely wasn't Mike Joyce - the drummer in the Smiths (hence pointing to Rourke being the bassplayer).
Also your orchestra point is a bit daft. But TBH, if you don't already understand why then I'm far too busy to explain it to you.
I thought it was a fairly straightforward analogy:
The 'first violin' or whoever just plays the music that has been written by the composer in the same way that Rourke wrote music written by the composer (in this case Marr).
Anyone out there with more time on their hands than mptk like to point out the flaw in this reasoning????
The focus is always on Johnny Marr's guitar playing, but Andy Rourke deserves more credit for his bass playing.
i agree hes amazing
Tony McCarroll wrote the rest
while Marr jangles about
The only thing I remember about The Smiths is that twat with a quiff prancing about and moaning about some bullshit in a Downs voice.
And Morrissey the words. From the Wikipeadia article about the court case: "Rourke and Joyce had never been credited as composers for the band."
Both Rourke and Joyce were excellent musicians though. They had to be to play what Marr was coming up with.
Surprised it's been asked considering how much of a big deal that court case was
Rourke wrote a lot of the basslines, 'the song within a song' approach he's often talked about. The court case was simply because they were too fucking stupid to have their names put down in the copyright. On the other hand Morrissey and Marr were particularly dastardly about it and assured them it was all fine and above board when it clearly wasn't.
But then they still wrote the songs. Writing a bassline to a song does not automatically give you songwriting credit, even if it is the main feature or strongest melody. In a court of law it would be argued the bassline is simply a rearranged set of notes from the chords of the guy (Marr) who wrote the original song. Although I think that may be in the process of changing...
Quite refreshing to have a sensible answer on this thing
The severed alliance. Great read once you get past the epic history of Ireland first chapter. Basically the rhythm section deserve a lot more credit, though it is undoubtedly Marr's genius that makes The Smiths (and yes Morrissey's, despite his many attempts to fuck the whole thing up!). But they were idiots not to sign anything, it affectively meant they were touring live musicians rather than having any creative claim in the songs of the Smiths - hence the court case - when they were at least half responsible for the parts they played and there was indeed a fair amount of jamming between them rather than Marr always coming to them with finished songs.
...but wasn't "The Severed Alliance" written from the pov of the rhythm section? Or am I getting it wrong?
it mainly concentrated on Morrissey & Marr.
Yes, and weren't The Smiths shit with Marr anything but a 'genius'?
Took me far too long to work out that sentence.
Let's be clear. Marr only wrote the guitar lines in the songs. He did not write the basslines or the drum parts or the vocal melodies. However, both he and Morrissey were in charge of production and made all the decisions about what went into the songs and what would be used. This is incredibly important.
In terms of the legal position, it was never about the writing. Rourke and Joyce always accepted they were not the writers of the songs. That was not what the court case was about.
I am really not enough of a Smiths fanatic, despite reading the book, to remember all this.
But in answer to the question, Rourke wrote the basslines.