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Is the manics second best album. Discuss.
just put forward your argument so we can wrap this thread up before dawn!
Am I right?
they really are not worth the hype. Especially Nicky Wire, when is someone gonna coldcock him out on the streets? He needs to act his age & wash his face. And stop crying about his dead boyfriend. Haven't heard a decent tune since the "truth" lp, and even THAT was pretty shoddy.
a travesty of a record.
This is beyond all discussion. The order is as follows:
Journal fr Plague Lovers
all the other ones
And I still really rate 'Dead Martyrs'. It needed that awesome B-side to 'Masses...' on it, 'Close my eyes':
The tracklisting for it isn't bad:
# "Found That Soul" – 3:05
# "Ocean Spray" – 4:11
# "Intravenous Agnostic" – 4:02
# "So Why So Sad" – 4:02
# "Let Robeson Sing" – 3:46
# "The Year of Purification" – 3:39
# "Wattsville Blues" – 4:29
# "Miss Europa Disco Dancer" – 3:52
# "Dead Martyrs" – 3:23
# "His Last Painting" – 3:16
# "My Guernica" – 4:56
# "The Convalescent" – 5:54
# "Royal Correspondent" – 3:31
# "Epicentre" – 6:26
# "Baby Elián" – 3:37
# "Freedom of Speech Won't Feed My Children" – 2:59
It's just all a bit MOR. But I would genuinely rather listen to this record than GT, GATS and the last 3.
despite hammering it when it first came out, in an effort to get it to grown on me, I have NO IDEA how about 12 of those 16 (16?!!) songs go. The singles were listenable enough, but the rest of it? Nah. And don't get me started on that fucking disco travesty.
Lifeblood had it's moments, I know that probably sounds ridiculous to a lot of people. But I still think 'I Live To Fall Asleep','Cardiff Afterlife' and 'Empty Souls' were up there with some of their best material.
Shame they chose 'For The Love Of Richard Nixon' for the single though.
and that was The Avalanches remix of 'So Why So Sad'
It might be their second worst. However, it's not completely awful. If you took off Wattsville Blues, Miss Europe, Baby Elian and Epicentre it'd be a lot better, as it is it just drones on too long.
I always liked intravenous agnostic and the convalescent.
i'd say MSP had 5 very good ones before this but KYE really just killed off my interest in them. it was too long and had some really awful tracks.
A brilliant album, the stylistic schizophrenia actually works to its advantage. Royal Correspondent is the only slightly weaker song, otherwise it's sheer mad excellence.
It's also the album that made me fall in love with the band.
honestly, it has too many tracks for sure and I think its the few duffers on there that puts people off what I think is a very strong album.
Take out Wattsville Blues, Miss Europa and the Royal Correspondent and even then you've got a 13 track album where I wouldn't skip a song.
Generation Terrorists is the same. Often billed as a double album but IMO there is only 1 album worth of decent material on it. But the Manics at the time were cocky, confident and trying to make an impact and statement of intent. This was one way they did that, and thats admirable.
The reason why the Manics get so much stick generally is that they have no sense of direction whatsoever and veer wildly between styles. They've gone from cheese rock, to anarchists, to commerical, to even more commercial and less rocky, back to rocky, then quieter, full on pop album, and now back to Holy bible style terroritory. Theres only the more dedicated fans that will gladly take all of that. Everyone else loses interest at some point and, coupled with that prat Wire, it makes them harder to love.
1. Holy Bible
2. Everything Must Go
3. Know Your Enemy
4. Generation Terrorists
5. Journal for Plague Lovers
6. Gold Against the Soul
7. Send Away the Tigers
8. This is my Truth
2.This Is My Truth
3.Know Your Enemy
4.The Holy Bible
5.Everything Must Go
6.Journal for Plague Lovers
7.Gold Against the Soul
9.Send Away the Tigers
I'd even say it was better than This is my Truth and Maybe tigers but thats it.
Each to their own!
But to be honest I love them all bar Send Away the Tigers (which continues to be rather disappointing). Some I just love more than others. Lifeblood's probably my favourite album ever and Truth comes close.
2 generation terrorists
3 gold against the soul
4 this is my truth
5 everything must go
6 journal for plague lovers
8 send away the tigers
9 know your enemy
Love you, incorrectly placed Enter key.
There's always been a couple of good tracks on their albums after that, but they never got back to that level, for me at least.
It's my favourite Manics album by far - the one I've listened to and enjoyed the most by some considerable distance.