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Thats my opinion, not to say I dont love the Beatles, but I prefer Dylan.
Put it this way the beatles music and lyrics took a serious turn for the better after they got into Dylan.
Most great acts can claim to have maybe 4/5 truly great albums, for me Dylan has at the very least 6 truly great albums.
- "I hate The Beatles anyway."
- "Are you nuts? That's a ridiculous thing to say!"
- One of the old men like the American guy posting some thesis about the history of both bands that no-one bothers to read.
The only thing I'll say is: compare their consistency. There weren't any dodgy Beatles albums. What do you think of 1986's "Knocked Out Loaded", by the way? Didn't think so.
and Beatles For Sale is a bit cack too.
i'd say given how much goodness Dylan has produced over his career they're about on an even level. plus he never wrote Maxwell's Silver Hammer or You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)
sure, bobby dylan has a few stinkers in his cannon, and no-one will ever surpass the beatles on many levels, i just prefer dylan.
to still be relevant, pretty much 50 years into your career is astounding. the man is a genius.
His last 4 albums have been brilliant, No Direction Home was amazing (although not a Dylan project), Chronicles was fascinating and his theme time radio hour is just glorious.
Yeah he had some stinkers in the 80s but a sign of real greatness is an ability to bounce back. And fuck me has he bounced back.
(although they are different acts and touch a different part of me)
The Beatles wrote about ten times as many great songs in eight years as Dylan has managed in about fifty years.
My opinion differs to yours.
but they're not really comparable in all honesty. they pushed boundaries in different ways
I'd also argue The Doors > The Beatles
A cup of tea is better than a kick in the genitals.
Dylan provides nothing. And even his lyricism is faintly irritating.. if the choice is between his tossed off in a minute lyrical constructs and L. Cohen's carefully weighted, meticulously crafted songs then i know what i'm going for.
As for the Beatles.. never listened to them. They any good?
Dylan's still churning out medium at best records to this day, occasionally making a good one, 50 years on.
If we compared the worst Beatles album to the worst Dylan album, we'd be laughing at the gaping chasm separating the quality.
Someone up there mentions Beatles For Sale. Honestly - try it, play that record (an album so bad, it contains 'I'm A Loser', 'Eight Days A Week', 'I'll Follow The Sun' etc.) and then play one of Dylan's 80s crimes against music.
Beatles for Sale is excellent in parts.
Dylan at his worst is worse than the Beatles at the worst.
but I like Stuck Inside Of Mobile more than any Beatles song. So in conclusion...I don't know.
all recorded and released in an astonishing 18 month period when Dylan was about 23 pisses on anything the beatles recorded. As I mentioned above it was during this time that the beatles took note and drastically changed the way they wrote for the better. Only my opinion of course.
i think part of it stems from the fact i live in liverpool so have been desentized to the beatles, with the continued over kill. the beatles are great, but dylan at top form is better than the beatles.
songs like: girl from north country, desolation row, tombstone blues, ballad of the thin man proverbially shit all over the beatles. george harrison even acknowledged it!
until the end line. the doors better than the beatles and dylan? go home!
"a successful man is a man who gets up in the morning and does what he wants to do"
Think a night of red wine, weed and a shit load of Dylan could make me feel a whole lot better.
and we're all hoes.
I cannot think of one single reason why it matters whether Dylan was better than the Beatles or vice-versa.
Seriously, what's the intended outcome of this thread? Are we all supposed to go "oh, shit, I'm on this side" and then smash all the CDs we own by whichever one we like the least? Can't people just listen to and appreciate both without trying to create imaginary league tables? Just why the fuck does this matter?
You don't have to get involved if you don't want.
I love Tom Waits and I love Dylan but that didn't stop me and my friends have some daft, over the top drunken debate about how's better and why. I know I am not going to change my mind (Dylan's better) and some of my friends aren't gonna change their minds (they think Waits is better, they're wrong) but its a good laugh and good to find out why other folk think differently.
it literally blew my mind. i was 18 when i first listened to dylan, i remember hearing dont think twice, it's alright then hurricane and it just bust me wide open.incredible!
The kinks wished they were The Who, The Who wished they were The Stones, The Stones wished they were the Beatles, The Beatles wished they were Dylan.
That answers every question in life ever.
and The Beatles only found out Dylan existed in 1964?
Dylan influenced Lennon, sure, but let's not overstate it. By 1966, he was over his little obsession with him and their best work over 66 and 67 owes absolutely nothing to Mr D's influence over the band.
but factually incorrect, as it is chronicled about lennon hearing freewheelin in 1962/63 and loving it.
George bought a copy of it while they were in France on tour in 64.
I was just kidding. Pete Townsend has said many times that he was really inspired by Ray Davies songwriting and agreed, nothing after Rubber Soul really sounds inspired by Dylan. Even most of that record doesn't.
I do not believe for one second that Blonde On Blonde had absolutely no influence on The Beatles. Lyrically, everything they did from Rubber Soul onwards owes everything to Dylan.
'owes everything to Dylan'?
Have you got aids of the ears? Go and find me a Beatle track post-BoB that 'owes everything' to Dylan. Any single track.
I'm not sure you're serious.
From listening to Freewheelin in '64 their songs changed beyond all recognition. Can you really not see that?
who are worse human beings? Beatles fans or Dylan fans
i'm edging towards the latter
I can't help agreeing with you
and sang through their mouths rather than their noses. Therefore The Beatles win.
Is horribly irritating these days. lets not forget he is responsible for writing the song 'temporary secretary'. urrrgh.