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Probably smells great too...
How can you differentiate between what's music and what isn't? I'll tell you. If it's sound, it's music. If it's a cup of coffee, it probably isn't.
It's too bad though. I bet those ///Maytag guys could actually make something I'd enjoy if they weren't taking a piss.
God I love the weekly boring "Sunn isn't music" thread.
Sound alone isn't music. Music is an intentional creation, and not just that. Not just intentionally-made sounds, but intentionally arranged ones that create something that is more than the sum of its parts. And taste (not merely individual within one culture, either, but accounting for cultural differentiations) comes into it to the point that no one person could really credibly judge all so-called musical creations as music or not music. Blah blah blah.
I've never listened to Sunn O))).
'cause essentially all meaning ('more than the sum of its parts') is subjective.
which means that ANY sound can have a meaning if the listener interpretes it as such.
My point is that some music may seem to have no meaning for some people, while for others it does.
For instance, does this have any meaning for you? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUp9WnLYetg) Can you tell me if that's a sad or happy song? Could you see yourself humming it as you walk down the street? My guess is that you can't, and even if you can, there are plenty of people who couldn't. But would you then say that it isn't music? There are plenty of people to whom it genuinely is music. We all have different perceptions. Music is different things to different people. Just because one person doesn't value one thing as music doesn't necessarily mean that it most certainly isn't. Can you kind of see what I'm saying now? The assertion really warrants a lot more than the brief paragraph I gave it, but that's all I can be bothered to say here, and all that would be appreciated, anyway.
There's tons of everyday sounds that I find way more musical. Compared to them, a lawnmower sounds delightfully melodious.
As does a swarm of locusts. Plus, the idea that music is solely "intentional creation" is total fucking stanky-ass bullshit. Ever heard of Aleatoric music?
Even highly improvisational music involves decisions. What separates music from all other sounds if it's not intentional?
I've never heard of aleatoric music before. A brief google isn't telling me anything to make me think it's not intentional, though. (It seems oftentimes it's even less improvisational than some jazz.) Partially left to chance, maybe, but still mostly pre-composed. Seems usually it has to do with last-minute or performer-chosen sequencing? Still decisions.
Also have you heard Khlyst? It's Thorr's Hammer's singer and one of the duders from Khanate - amazing stuff.
I do enjoy how Sunn o)) seems to bug people. I managed to drag a couple of my twee indie kid friends to Supersonic this year (one of them's just moved to Birmingham) and they were completely blown away by them. Maybe not enough to go out and buy all the CDs but they can definitely appreciate what they're about more now that they've experienced them in person. Unforunately I can't follow their example and say the same about Belle and Sebastiane. I think that's more my issue than anything else though.
They act like they've been personally affronted.
Is it so unfathomable that a person could sincerely enjoy droning guitar noise?
It's the fucking horrendously overblown comedy vocals. The guitar drone and the wall of feedback is perfectly tolerable, but the vocals ruin it if you're asking me.
Attila Csihar is hilarious. It kind of lightens the mood.
but Csihar's are just funny. He sounds like dracula with laryngitis.
what do you make of the tracks with Malefic? he scares the living piss out of me.
I didn't understand the power of it before then, though I'd still struggle to call it 'music'. I wouldn't listen to an album and memorise the songs, say, but as a live experience, it really is something else. Very intense and hypnotic. You can't really replicate that with headphones.
like when you go into a gallery with modern art with a painting with a blank canvas with a single stripe of paint down it etc.
Alice brought the pain and now I see the light! I mean, I like em and can listen now. Alls I have is Monoliths and its good, I get it.
I am an artist which helps me appreciate the pushing of boundaries, regardless of the direction. So when a band gets this much polarizing debate, count me in.
Music is subjective. Sunn o))) are not hipster bullshit they are a extreme metal band. Hipsters seem to have picked up on. It's a clear case of highly experimental music given to much limelight. Merzbow is widely repected and equally easy to produce and he doesn't get anywhere near as much hassle for it!
If you don't like, don't listen to it.
So I've drawn a Sunno O)))esque picture to express my final thoughts on the subject. I call it a work of art, don't you dare challenge me.
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guess that didn't get make the transition very well. Can you guess what it is yet?
Sunn(((O))) is absolute WANK. THe word music suggests rhythm and melody, this has none of that. It's just atonal noise. Even the way their name is written is WANK. I feel vindicated by this thread - Sunn(((0))) or however their name is spelt can FUCK OFF.
Sunn 0))) possess plenty of rhythm and melody; melodically, 'Alice' is probably one of the most beautiful pieces of music I've heard this year and to my ears, there's a great deal of rhythm inherent in all their music. As for them being 'atonal,' I wouldn't be able to comment as I'm rubbish at picking up what key a piece of music is in, but I'm not sure why you're using atonal as a criticism, given that all it means is that a piece of music doesn't conform to certain well-worn tonal hierarchies. At a guess, I'd say Sunn 0))) are anything but atonal, although I'm happy to be proven wrong.
Probably don't love them as much as some people on this forum but anyone who says it isn't music is really ignorant of vast portions of musical history. There is a long and healthy tradition of drone and trance music stretching across cultures and periods of time. Earth decided to tap into that and interpret it using heavy guitars instead of whatever the likes of LaMonte Young were using and Sunn O))) followed on from there. Not such a big deal.
If you like drone music and metal, which I do, you are more likely to love Sunn O)))if you only like one then you might like 'em. If you don't like either well that's fine too but don't say it isn't music just because you don't like it.
The idea that for you to be able to appreciate music it must involve lots of skill is really lame too. Who cares what the process involved? It's the end product that counts. Surely that's what punk was all about?
But I think the main thing is that most people on here just think it's shit and that they derive no pleasureable sensations at all from it.
And by the way, just because they have followed in the footsteps of a couple of other older obscure bands doesn't justify them or their art in any way. It just means there were once upon a time a couple of other equally obscure bands making equally inpenetrable 'music'.
"You may not get the full impact of a piece of music the first, second or even third time through but you have to be able to grasp at least one little point of interest; any little thing; take notice of one particular note, one lyric a piece of feedback, anything and then say "There is something there, I don't know what it is just yet but I'm gonna find out."
Very true, and I often find myself going through this when I discover new music. Unfortnately, of what I have heard of Sunn o))) yet, I didn't hear my "little point of interest", and hence have no felt compelled to investigate further.
It wouldn't be the first time I failed to grasp something interesting the first time I hear something. It can often depend on my mood at the time or what I'm doing, and it may inhibit these senses. At a later time, under the right conditions, I might 'get it'. Or it might be shit, in which sense I'll never 'get it'...
Saint Cronin saw Sunn 0))) two weeks ago.
I knew this would be a hit.