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and what do you like about the jag?
personally i used to be a jag lover until i bought the more simple mustang.
the bridge is a bastards, especially if you like to hit the fucker
Jag's sound ace but first thing I'm doing when I get one is changing the bridge for a mustang one. The rolling bridges are the worst idea ever!
i have never got round to buying a mustang bridge for mine but it is on my list of things to do.
is this a good time to say that i'm about 10% of the way through buying the bits and constructing myself a telecaster with the following mods -
jaguar / mustang / other fender short-scale neck (anyone got one for sale?)
3 x humbuckers
jaguar-style switches / control plates etc fixed, though i think i'm gonna go volume, tone then 3 x on/off switches for the 3 pickups, then in place of the rhythm circuit put a built in overdrive or something.
I want a seriously unique fuck off guitar.
I had a look at a wiring diagram for a jazzmaster, it gave me a headache!
If you're after a short scale neck- see if you can get hold of a jagmaster. I've got one and it's dead nice.
The Jazzmaster is much much nicer. They all share an inherent issue with the bridge/floating tremolo system. Its basically completely flawed but as long as you are prepared to work with it as opposed to against it you really can get some amazing and unique sounds.
I love my jazzmaster. That is all.
always thought they look better than the jag as they don't have the metal parts on which spoil the appearance IMO.
any fool knows that the more unnecessary metal a guitar has the better. in order of looks -
duo-sonic / musicmaster
actually i found once you set the various pieces correctly, use chunky flatwound strings, grease the hell out of the bits which hold the strings and slot into the bridge part it works fine.
it's just a pain.
the mustang bridge replacement does work, but it changes the whole tone of the guitar. it looses a LOT of it's bright jangle sound which is the strings vibrating behind the bridge.
i didn't know that...i can see why that would happen with the buzz stop mod, but surely the mustang and jag bridges work in identical ways, logicaly i can't see why it would make much if any differemnce
it changed the sound slightly, a little more sustain, I guess the mustang bridges slightly more solid build transmits the sound more or something, but it is only a slight difference, it is weird seeings the bridges are so similar. Buzz stops are awful, you may as well just get a strat. Jazzmasters are better than jags, they have a classier look, the pickups (the proper ones) sound like no other and can go from a dark organ sound to more shrill than a telecaster, jags have a kind of dinky sound probably because of the short scale. Most of the problems of jags/jazzmasters being tempremental are because back in the 50/60 when they were invented 11 gauge strings were considered 'light' where as now they would be considered heavy, hardtail guitars are less affected but the string through floating bridge design just doesnt work well with lighter gauges. They also werent designed for rock so playing them hard makes the strings pop out. But with the right strings they are solid.
i wouldn't describe the jags sound as dinky! crank it up and it's huge and thundersous.
I think the dinky sound thing comes from cheaper japanese models which don't have as higher output on the pickups.
the jag sound should have huge monstrous attack and short sustain. so it's good if you like to play plucked sounds.
I still get the feeling that anything a jag can do a jazzmaster can do better, you can get the same noisy attack/short sustain sound from a jazzmaster, but it also has the nice mellow sounds as well
Has been pretty much noted all the mods
That I got for it still did not change the instrument I
Wanted or expected to be. So in the end I sold mines
Like above I would recommend getting a Jazzmaster
As the scale length is so much better and for smaller
Fingers that it ends up working better than you expect.
Without a shadow of a doubt it’s the coolest looking
Guitar you can get but it has such serious flaws. the
Newer models have amended some problems
but for having 4 pickups rather than 2 in a Jag
than you should by all accounts buy a Jazzmaster
Now a Gibson Les Paul Custom is what I am looking
KNIGHTBOAT: a gibson les paul. yuk.
on the other point. i'm sorry your jag didnt turn out to be the guitar you wanted it to be. but then a lot of people got jags because they thought they were something other than they were designed to be. a jag was designed to be a surf instrument, clean big tones to emulate the sound of the surf, the waves crashing down.
the are still fricking annoying aside.
I dont think either jags or jazzmasters are flawed, if you use the heavier strings and learn how to set up the bridge properly they are fine (you just have to adjust it every couple of months), probably the most stable tremolo system there is. Without the string through bridge/tremolo system the guitars would lose their character and just become odd looking average fenders. I dont think the new 'classic player' models have improved them, theyve back angled the neck but this has normally been done with shims in the factory on normal ones anyway so makes no difference, theyve put tune o matic bridges in which I think is a big mistake as the bridge needs to able to move back and forth or it will go out of tune, theyve moved the tail piece to increase the break angle of strings over the bridge like a buzz stop this takes away some of the character of the sound so you may as well get another guitar plus it looks really bad especially on jags, theyve put p90 style pickups under the covers in the jm's. Im not too bothered about the jags but jazzmasters are the best designed guitars there are, their flaws are easily dealt with and are also responsible for what makes them so good, they shouldnt have changed them
been playing one for 6/7 years now and I adore it, nothing else compares (but then, it was the first guitar I ever owned). I am thinking about changing the bridge for a mustang one though because, with more regular gigs, rehearsals and so on, it's just really beginning to get on my tits now (only occasionally mind).
I still love it though.
I love the sound, and so many players I like have used one (Rowland S. Howard and Blixa Bargeld to name but too).
I do fancy a Jazzmaster though, possibly next (whenever that is). Or maybe a Telecaster. it's Fender all the way though really, other than maybe a tasty sixties Epiphone or a nice Gretsch (Country Gent or a pro jet maybe), if i can ever afford another guitar, let alone a Gretsch.
has a country gent look (although its a slightly smaller nashville shape) and is pretty cheap (for a gretsch)
for the tip, that's actually a dead nice looking 'axe'.
vibrato too, which I actually can't play electric guitar without now. Seriously, I'm lost without it.
Does anyone have a clue how they keep theirs intune when they're constantly raggin the tremolo?
but also the tremolo doesnt put it out of tune if its set up right and mbv are quite subtle with it, the main reason they go out of the tune is when the strings bind at the nut which stops it returning back to normal after the tremolo is used, pencil graphite can be used to stop it binding if that doesnt work it might need the grooves cut deeper, people fixing the bridge also makes it go out of tune as it needs to be able to move freely other wise the strings move over the bridge instead, more friction making it more likely to bind at the bridge, thats why tune o matic bridges are a mistake. I use the tremolo on my jazzmaster all the time and i dont have to tune it more often than any other guitar
cheers for the info!
heres my jag.
japanese, rewired, new pickups, new bridge hardware.