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I'll leave you with that fact, n'night.
on httt are better than the best songs on in rainbows...but there's too much filler on httt.
In Rainbows is a great album, whereas HTTT's a good collection of songs.
I put on IR to listen from start to finish, HTTT, I dick around with favourite songs.
i genuinely think it's a dreadful album.
Different tastes, like.
2+2 and Sit Down are great for spazzing out, but it's all too easy to admire the beauty of Reckoner and Weird Fishes
although I wouldn't go as far to call them 'filler'.
if you want a precise breakdown, that is.
what In Rainbows has over Hail to the Thief is brevity.
for the simple reason that 'House of Cards' is the best thing Radiohead have written.
HTTT has moments
IR is an album and it's low points are far more interesting than HTTT's.
Also which -seriously - would you swap : Sail to the moon (trying to be heartwrenching) or Nude (effortlessly heartwrenching)
Always felt HTTT was underrated, take off Scatterbrain and The Gloaming and it'd be fantastic. And it has I Will on it.
Come to think of it, I really like HTTT.
Personally anyway, although I do love B&M. The problem is I think they realised how HTTT was too long and wanted to keep IR concise, The problem is then what to leave off. To them, I'm sure they were all worth going on, its hard to be subjective when you're in the band. You can't exactly let the public vote for what goes on the album can you?
I think 4 minute warning would make a great album closer, but then it is hard to imagaine where else Videotape would go other than the end. Also, I think DITNU would make a great album opener (possibly also with the short instrumental that fits before it on disc 2, as it works so well as an intro). but again, that then screws up the running order as I don;t see how else you can fit 15 step on there.
In the end the album is perfectly sequenced and to add more songs would upset that. Do you go for a great collection of songs (a la HTTT) or a well balanced and sequenced album (a la IR). Look on the brightside, at least we actually have all the songs left off the album and can still hear them if we like.
However I might've overkilled the In Rainbows listens on release; I almost literally cannot bear to listen to it now.
and Sail to the Moon is good
however, while in Prague and tired I lay in my hostel bed and listened to In Rainbows - I mean, properly listened to it like I hadn't ever before - and it struck me that an album I previously thought to be obviously great but not up there was conceivably my second favourite Radiohead album.
I listed to Kid A and HTTT the whole way through that same week and neither had quite the effect; Kid A is still to this day growing on me, but IR came through and I sat up at the end thinking 'fuck me, this is unreal'.
HTTT does have a smattering of brilliant, brilliant songs but as an entire album it is too scattershot.
HTTT > IR? Don't make me laugh.
Ok, you could argue that HTTT's high point are slightly better than IRs (though personally I'd even disagree with that). But your actual statement suggests HTTT itself, the album that is, is better than IR. I honestly can't think of any planet where that could actually be true, as, from an album perspective, IR shits all over HTTT.
To be honest, I can hardly be arsed to listen to HTTT anymore. I don't like using the skip button you see. I don;t mind sitting through the odd duffer and listening to an album as a whole, but HTT has too many of these duffers to make it any more than a good EP with lots of filler.
With too many weak or too long tracks. It sounds like a band trying too hard to sound like they're not trying, if you get me. So much was made over "everything's really chilled this time!" that a lot of it came out sounding half-assed. Witness the end of Go To Sleep; if they wanted they could have put the massive wig-out guitar solo it had live on there, but instead it's a lazy fade-out (which I hate in songs anyway), like they could be bothered to finish it properly. Also too many songs that are pushing the five minute mark, and tellingly go nowhere with it (Punchup and We Suck Young Blood, although I quite like Backdrifts).
The fact that quite a few of the songs mutated a little bit live (The Gloaming got a lot better, Backdrifts gained a backwards guitar solo, already mentioned Go To Sleep) shows that the band maybe weren't as happy with it as they could be.
In Rainbows on the other hand is perfectly formed. It leaves you wanting that little bit more; the first thing I did after listening to it was listen to it again. It's brilliantly sequenced, like Furryboy said you couldn't change it without wrecking it. I've read that there was a bit of friction in it's making, and I think that's the way Radiohead make great albums. Nothing has beaten the feeling of Bodysnatchers fading away and me knowing that I was about to get to hear Nude after 10+ years, I was grinning like an idiot.
In Rainbows >>>>>>>>> Hail To The Thief
And say that the best of HTTT is better than the best of IR. In rainbows doesn't have any song as good 2+2=5, There there, Go To Sleep, or A Wolf at the Door. However a lot of the time I can't be bothered sitting through the whole album to get to these, it feels too much like hard work. In Rainbows is just completely effortless in comparison.
Their best closer.
Even just as a song, not just as a closer. I know I'm in the minority but it doesn't do anything for me. Although I do like Thoms vocal on it.
There There, I'll give you that, is up there with their very best. But, I'd gladly take Reckoner, Nude, House of Cards and Jigsaws over 2+2=5, Go to Sleep, and Wolf. To me they are superior and I like listening to them more.
but as album closers go I much prefer Street Spirit, Motion Picture Soundtrack, Life in a Glasshouse and Videotape.
It's certainly a toss up between that and Life in a Glass House anyway. And Street Spirit as well, nearly forgot about that...
all I need, when the wave breaks in that song i get shivers down my spine in a pleasurable way
all the way. In Rainbows gets boring in the middle
the only down point in IR's middle section is Faust Arp.
s'what i think anyway.
I used to think that is was (though I though it was always an album of too many good songs) but it isn't when you give the whole album the time and attention it deserves. In fact, the best songs on there are the ones that people regularly point out as being rubbish.
'Sail To The Moon' is one of the most beautiful songs they've ever written - maybe only topped by 'How To Disappear Completely'. 'The Gloaming' is superb too. I cannot think of any filler on that album though admittedly it isn't the tight little package that is IR.
I cannot pick between them and with regards to Radiohead's studio albums (and with the exception of Pablo Honey - which I have a warm place for nontheless), I can never sustain an attack on any one. They're just all singularly brilliant and I have different feelings but equally high regard for all of them.
Sit Down, Stand is unneccessary and goes nowhere. Backdrifts is sort of just there. Myxomatosis after A Punch Up At A Wedding I always thought was odd, and as though it's supposed to be more effective than how I found it. I always thought the album drags during the middle. Both We Suck Young Blood and The Gloaming meander. I prefer the album in this order:
3. Go To Sleep
4. Where I End And You Begin
5. I Will
6. The Gloaming
8. Sail To The Moon
9. There There
11. A Wolf At The Door
I began to like Myxomatosis when it comes after The Gloaming.
You have removed 3 songs I don't really like. Although I don't like Wolf at the door that much I can live with it, which I can't really do the other 3.
Not a bad tracklist at all. Although if we're going to start cutting up HTTT, why not replace some with your favourite b-sides...
But could definitely live without We Suck Young Blood and A Punch Up... Nice one.