Artists that were hyped and subsequently well respected, but then became a huge joke a year or two later.
For an example, I suspect Justice fall into this category. I enjoyed Cross when it came out, but I can't even think about taking it seriously at this point. This is a tricky distinction. This category does not include artists that were hyped by the press and then suffered a huge critical backlash. This category leans more toward year-end list toppers that the test of time didn't treat very well, or that just fell the fuck off.
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except Justice are fucking obliteratingly rad
and you like Animal Collective
the defence rests.
Actually the answer I was looking for was Fleet Foxes.
But thanks for playing.
How can you say Fleet Foxes fell off when they haven't released a second album yet?
I reckon some of the backlash on here is due to the fact that they are proper Radio 2-popular now. Massive critical success always encourages people to have an opinion on albums that they might not normally have bothered with, for example Ys or the recent Sunn 0)) album.
They did look boring as hell on the main stage at Glasto though. At least Bon Iver (who's album hasn't stood up to repeated listening for me - feels a bit too emo) has stepped up and can work a large crowd now.
It was a jest.
I don't actually believe this.
KiK isn't worth responding to seriously.
i think we'll see by the time of album 2
although right now its a pretty big faux pas to play them out. not sure if that's their fault or just everything surrounding that part of dance music
I'd still be interested in another record
but Cross doesn't stand the test of time for me. I feel like it lost a lot of it's appeal. ANYWAY they were just an example.
maybe, i haven't listened to it in ages
i think they suffer a bit by being mimicked so hard by so much shit in 2006-2008 that they seem really of one particular time period now and are tainted by association. they make rad distorted dance music -> copied by tons of blog fuckheads -> distorted dance music becomes a massive, gimmicky fad -> justice's music is lumped in with it since its so hard to associate distorted dance music with anything but blog fuckheads
hmmm...
i'm listening to Stress now for the first time in about a year and it seems to be slaying me as ever!
Justice aren't a joke.
They're a very decent dance band.
For a lot of people i imagine maybe Coldplay are in this category.
Excellent choice. This pretty much defines the category.
Maybe not a 'joke' per se
But Arcade Fire did themselves a massive disservice by releasing 'Neon Bible'. I don't think many people who were proclaiming 'Funeral' to be the album of the decade hold them in the same esteem now as they did in 2005.
na...i knew someone would say that.
the only crime arcade fire have committed was releasing an album so perfect that there was simply no following it. neon bible is a great album in it's own right
I think the pomposity of Neon Bible renders it a bit of a joke.
On reflection it's not a bad album, I like the Springsteen-influenced tracks but the church organ put me right off them. I feel sorry for bands that have to follow-up a near-perfect debut - see also The Strokes.
Probably not worthy of this thread though.
the strokes'
first album is far from perfect.
It's good, but not great.
^ nonsense
neon bible is fantastic. its just as good as funeral
Neon Bible was Arcade Fire by numbers
the album the mainstream media and critics EXPECTED and WANTED from Arcade Fire, they played up to every single thing critics pointed out to the extent it lacked ANY of the subtlelty and charm of the original and ended up sounding like an overblown, pompus and quite frankly boring parody of Arcade Fire
^ speculative to say the least
Neon Bible
is better than Funeral. Not quite as cohesive but with better songs
Surely The Darkness are the best example?
It's incredible to think that they HEADLINED reading/leeds! On One album!
It was my first year there I think, so it didn't seem too odd but thinking about it - if a band with one album headlined now I'd be foaming.
the strokes headlined reading
with less than 30 minutes of material.
umm, no, everyone knows Aphex Twin headlined that year.
They were still great though.
haha
they replace david bowie as headliner at Oxegen 2004. DAVID FUCKING BOWIE
*replaced
Didn't Arctic Monkeys headline after album number 1?
The Darkness is the definition of this thread for sure.
offered a headline slot, turned it down, they played 2nd and Franz took the top billing
twas Muse, I think.
I have a feeling Coldplay
headlined Glastonbury before the release of Rush Of Blood To The Head.
Things like the vampire weekend? The editors? Bon Iver? Snow Patrol are a good one. I think a lot of it is the general thing where a band from the 'underground' breaks through into the mainstream they then tend to get shunned by 'tastemakers' etc. sometimes through hearing the music everywhere (i.e. over exposure), sometimes because the music's been made more paletable, sometimes because the 'underground' is more likely to attack mainstream bands than up and coming ones. etc. Lots of potential reasons.
True, true
I think the amount of 'OMG they just used my favourite band's music on Skins/in an advert how dare they?' threads is proof of this. Vampire Weekend is a perfect piece of indie-pop, the best since the first Strokes album IMO. Even the Wire put it in their albums of the year list. Personally I like it when good bands get popular.
I think it's fair to say that Snow Patrol are genuinely a different band to the one on Jeepster though. They went for the post-Coldplay dollar, fair play to them, but I don't think it's just their popluarity that puts people off them here.
Yeah, I think generally it's a good when one of my favourite bands gets popular
I listened to Vampire Weekend album this morning and enjoyed it a lot!
I guess my point was there's lots of reasons why a 'cool' band becomes rubbish - Snow Patrol hit it big with Final Straw and then clearly went more and more into that 'widescreen epic ballad' sound, but I don't remember much vitriol against them when Final Straw was released, more a few complaints that spitting games wasn't more of a hit. Then 'Run' changed everything. So it can be to do with a band actively changing their sound to attract/maintain their place in the mainstream and it can be a perception/attitude issue (i.e. Justice haven't actually released a second album, but people who first got into them when the album came out probably got bored with it just as topshop put it on repeat, it's little wonder Justice now drive them slightly insane.)
Some of these suggestions are pretty bewildering
Justice? The Rapture? Arcade Fire??
well-argued.
you should consider becoming a music lawyer.
They're stupid suggestions
especially Arcade Fire, who are as far away from being a 'joke' as is possible. 'Some people didn't like Neon Bible' does not equal 'they are a joke now' I don't think I need to argue my point because the suggestions are so daft. Justice havn't even had a second album yet!
I can kind of see the point with Justice...
But then, that whole 18 months was defined by electro albums and... gasp... that whole Klaxons thing. Music has moved on as it does.
We'll be saying the same thing about lo-fi, noise bands (being in vogue as they are right now) in another 18 months.
i hope the klaxons never come back
polished bastards
I was thinking about them the other day
In no way, shape or form did they deserve the Mercury Prize that year. It was a very, very average album.
But they won't filter out. They've still got major press adoring them, and a new album out next year. Big things will continue...
Gomez?
Kula Shaker?
enter shikari
funeral for a friend
the horrors (to an extent, although it seems that all the people who were quick to slate them became even quicker to pronounce them as a precursor to sliced bread after primary colours was released)
the horrors
are surely the reverse of this? Laughable to start with, then good!
the bravery?
who remebers the bravery?
the nme LOVED the bravery. then.....not so much.
It was an honest mistake
Jeff Buckley?
Michael Jackson?
Ricky Rhumba's Rhythm Machine?
No way. Serious business.
surely Bloc Party?
a few that spring to mind (with the albums that took them from fame to shame)
Dizzee Rascal (Boy in Da Corner --> Showtime)
The Streets (Original Pirate Material --> A Grand Don't Come For Free)
The Killers (Hot Fuss --> Sam's Town)
Weezer (Pinkerton --> Green Album)
If I may? For the reverse situation (going from shit to the shit) The Horrors. In fact I was going to say that first before I realised I'd misread the question.
Dizzee Rascal and The Streets
Well the former is hardly a joke now (and Showtime is pretty well regarded) and you have picked the wrong Streets album where he pretty much lost it. A Grand Don't Come For Free got big acclaim and is great, where's the 'fame to shame' part of that?
i love grand don't come for free
but i think a few people were let down by the fact it wasn't as edgy as the first and went for a more widescreen approach. i'd imagine grime-purist types felt it was a let-down
When were The Streets ever really truly 'grime' though
huh? Those purists are idiots.
this post
is all wrong..
yeah this is all wrong
More like
Weezer (Blue Album --> Pinkerton). I'm pretty sure Weezer lost all cred when Pinkerton came out, it was only more recently that people started realising its greatness.
Stone Roses
I've never got behind 'Second Coming' and they managed to destroy their reputation by playing live.
Also-
The Gossip
Fischerspooner
There are many others but these sorts of bands tend to slip out of memory
^this
unfortunately
The Polyphonic Spree
I am embarrassed to have bought that album. And to have seen them live.
harsh......
fantastic live band.
I'm not having that
Justice are ace. I don't necessarily think they're very nice people, having seen that documentary they put out, but they're ace.
Justice
fuck hugh
Justice to me are like the opposite of SFA in terms of singles and albums.
While the Furries' singles can sound a bit ropey to me sometimes (International Language of Screaming, I'm looking at you), they sound great when in the context of the album.
Justice's singles were fun, but the album was boring- I couldn't listen to it the whole way through.
the horrors.
after the hyped has ebbed away everyone will come to his mind again...
I wish I was psychic like you
The Music?
man
they fucking suck!
How about the Libertines?
Heaps of praise for the first album, 2nd album reasonably well-liked at first but later slagged off. Now as a result of their underwhelming solo work and Doherty's antics, regarded as a bit of a joke.
I think
The Libertines thing is generally viewed a bit negatively now because of what they spawned eg The Enemy, Little man tate etc. In fact, any 'landfill indie' band that writes songs that sound like Jam cast offs.
they also directly spawned
dirty pretty things
The Vines
The Music for sure
and I think if Bloc Party didn't give off such a take-ourselves-super-seriously vibe and didn't do the whole electronica thing with such a ham fist and club foot, then they might escape this category. But they do and they do so they don't.
and P.S.
I love The Rapture, I don't think they can be classed a joke at all. They just seem like a bunch of blokes who have a hell of a lot of fun doing what they do and take their time. They've got one and a half really good albums and are excellent live.
Even with the lukewarm response to Intimacy
Bloc Party are miles off being a 'huge joke' - they're hardly in the same category as The Bravery or The Darkness or The Vines.
I agree and disagree
Obviously they're not in The Bravery's class, but I know a lot of people who find Bloc Party laughable, what with their clunky, square peg-round hole approximation of electronic music and Kele's heroically crap lyrics.
But they are still around in a reasonably well known capacity
and play decent sized venues etc, whereas the other bands mentioned probably couldn't get arrested these days. I only really define 'huge joke' when an act drops off the radar completely, rather than some people think they're really crap.
Fair enough.
I will get back to my foie gras with my tail between my legs. With complete disdain.
i think because i used to be such a huge fan of BP
im reluctant to say the new stuff isnt a patch on silent alarm even though i know it isnt
There was people who CAMPED OVERNIGHT
outside my student union a few years ago to get Darkness tickets. I hope these people feel a little bit sick every time they remember that. What about that Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, eh? They'd bore the tits off a cow after 10 minutes but there was a brief spell circa 19 oh Vines that people idolised them. HIVES!
There were people, obviously.
That'll learn me to post when I'm pissed, what!
Hives are still awesome
you've obviously not seen BRMC live
admittedly, I rate every one of their albums highly (nothing less than 4 stars), but you'd have to an Animal Collective-loving librarian not to be blown away by BRMC live.
They were dull as hell live
though I've not seen them since 2002
I give you.. the stereophonics
(though i never understood in the slightest quite why anyone liked them in the first place)
A Thousand Trees was great wasnt it?
I'm sure it was.
Anyone?
It was!
I used to really like the first album, not so now, but it's still good.
ooh, actually, i think a thousand trees was actually good..
i'll concede a minor point toward why people liked them...
Elastica
the first one was ace but by the time the Menace was release they were creatively and commercially over.
Oasis also apply in this category except that they lasted till Be here now. Everything since then is just a joke.
I also remember Finley Quayle won a Brit award and then vanished
Embrace
CSS
(This is the third time I've tried to post on this fucking website. If this fails I'm off!)
So many to choose from;
The Libertines
ARE Weapons
Terris
Campag Velocet (however i think it only took weeks before everyone had a chuckle at them)
Manic Street Preachers
Echobelly
Mansun
Slipknot
My Chemical Romance (no wait that was from day one....oooops sorry!)
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
The Cooper Temple Clause
to name but a few
Even if MSP had joined that club
They're surely out of it now after Journal for Plague Lovers
I think the MSP and Mansun
Were always divisive bands. For every devoted fan there were 5 people writing them off as a laughing stock.
I agree with a lot of them, except the second campag velocet album was actually fantastic.
check out- we are the trumping men...
anyone who get's ted milton to play sax on their record can never be all bad.
Terris? That's bit unfair. It was only NME writers who ever liked them in the first place.
You're an idiot
Mansun?? Ever heard 'Six' you fool?
We must never forget Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip
It took until the album eventually came out that many people (and I was one of them) realised just how rubbish they were, and not just in the new stuff, and especially in that debut single...
hadouken became a joke before they even released their album
however much you hate them, no one can deny the insane amount of hype
Kate Nash.
I remember not being able to escape her and that awful 'so much fit-taaaaaaaa'. Now the only time I ever even hear her music is on cruddy daytime TV shows such as Time Team or Country File..
Was she ever 'well respected'?
i think she still gets played with some regularity on daytime radio 1
unfortunately
i've listened to said station around midday twice recently and heard "foundations" on both occasions
hey
you watch what you say about country file.
its a fundamental building block of our society
The Datsuns!
I saw them live! I bought 'in love'! Whatever happened?
I'll stand by The Datsuns
They may not be as popular, but I certainly wouldn't say that they have become a joke.
They were hella powerful live.
The Datsuns were certainly hyped
but they were just a band that happened to be in the right place at the right time - they were around for a while beforehand and they're still going now that the spotlights off. And they're still one of the most excellent live bands I've seen.
Whereas most 'hype' bands get blown up before they've been together 5 minutes and then split up once it all comes crashing down.
Jobraith.
Hard-fi?
surely
The view
I seem t remember there being a few people who enjoyed a lot of the singles. Same jeans was massive. Compare that to the latest album. Apparently the last single they released didn't even chart.
Cue the backlash, but...
KINGS OF FUCKING LEON.
I may be in the vast minority here, but I really thought that Only By The Night was absolutely dreadful compared to their previous three offerings.
They may not be a joke to most of you, but they're ridiculous in my eyes now!
And the most grating thing of all is not the new-found sell-out popularity, but the fact that they've reissued the early albums in a box set as if they're hidden gems that nobody has ever come across before.
Kings Of Leon always sucked.
I was bewildered as to why they were ever popular. Their twatish frontman is one of the worst fucking singers in the world.
I'm imagining, if you take out the "a year or two later" and it make it 15, Billy Corgan.
He's turned into the biggest joke of 90's rock.
Corgan is just gross.
He has revealed himself as a horribly self centered slimy cash grabbing creepy crawler. But hey, I always hated the Pumpkins as well.
I still don't think Zeitgeist was that bad.
had a couple of good songs on it.
oh dear.
oh dear Tommy G.
iron and wine
mainly as a result of some really terrible live shows. sack the paul simon experience backing band, play the songs with just you and maybe the woman singer and another guitarist, and then maybe i'll come and see you again. thanks.
i saw him at green man
imagine a peter gabriel covers band covering the songs of iron and wine, extending each song to a 12 minute world music/fusion wank jam, and you are still only about a third of a way to imagining how awful iron and wine is live (when he's accompanied by his full band). apparently when it's just him and the woman singer it's absolutely lovely, but he prefers to augment his sound these days. terrible.
S.M.A.S.H.
These Animal Men
The Twang
they managed to sell out loads of gigs so plenty of people must have liked them a bit.
They were shit though
Good calls on
the Rapture & Bloc Party.
I would say Clinic (remember them?), Trail of the Dead, Clap your hands say yeah, Miss Kitten & the Hacker, all fall into this category. In fact playing any Electroclash at a party these days would probably get you some snide comments from the music geeks.
Klaxons & Crystal Castles seem destined for it; if not already there.
Internal Wrangler is a great album.
I still respect Clinic for that record alone, even if their subsequent work is shit.
Nah
Got 'do it' recently, it's a cracking album. Completely reminded me why i love clinic so much.
Trail of Dead?
I don't think one badly recieved album (So Divided) makes them 'a joke' outside of Pitchfork world the latest album was very well recieved. Plus Source, Tags & Codes and Madonna are albums which many bands would struggle to match in terms of quality and songwriting.
This thread has more turned into
'Name acts where you really hated the last record or two' to be honest.
I agree with most of that.
Except Trail Of Dead. They're in a completely different league.
CLINIC?
What the fuck?!
I think i'm just out of the loop or something. I didn't realise that they had any hype attached to them and don't know why they'd be considered a joke. But maybe i've just suddenly started to take this seriously now that a band i like has been mentioned.
I agree
When have they ever been hyped? If anything they are massively underated!
How has no one mentioned
Kaiser Chiefs..or is that too obvious. Also;
The Enemy
The View
Razorlight
Hard-Fi
Kasabian If you like any of these we can never be friends
Razorlight are a good answer
i remember listening to the first album in the sun in post-GCSE lazy bliss, now the quality of that first album is tainted by the nobend that Borrell has turned into
how very true.
add to that franz ferdinand. they're quite annoying.
All sorts of wrong
if you think these are tainted due to later releases:
Clinic
The Rapture
Justice
Fischerspooner
Elastica
It's not my fault if you hopped on to the next hype band or don't like an act cos you spend too much time listening to 'em in TopShop. Get yersen a grip.
My answers to this would be
Bloc Party
Franz
Razorlight
I would also say Muse could fall into this category if their latest song is anything to go by
can i be first to put in
burial.
there. i said it. you heard it here first.
He's only a joke to people with no taste.
i think lots off the artists hyped this year and released debuts
we will be mentioning in this post in a few years aka
La Roux
Florence
Esser
Bombay Bicycle Club
Frankmusik
Out of those
I think the first two are the most likely to pull through. Depends if one of them wins a Mercury Prize or a few Brits.
Little Boots, however, I can see tumbling down unless she really experiments and makes something exciting with her second album.
gay dad
campag velocet
terris
the teenagers
Oasis
people
are not reading the original assignment.
a huge joke after a year or two,
oasis? bloc party? muse? franz?
people just name bands they stopped liking after the cool debut.
though
Oasis IS a joke, and it's on all you brits. just not a joke the thread is after.
bloc, muse and franz might all still have hope.
Magic Numbers
just remembered them.
Not so much a joke
More forgotten really. I really liked the first album as well (puts me in a minority of one on here probably), shame the second one was so drab.
who remembers menswear or northern uproar?
i crack myself up sometimes
I seem to remember the lo-fidelity all-stars getting rave reviews at a point in time. What a fucking joke that was.
KT Tunstall.
Very well recieved first album. Second one? A bad joke.
sigur ros
but then somehow everyone forgot and they became respected again, odd
When did Sigur Ros become a joke?
didn't mean to this that.
they became a joke right the minute they thought it's a good idea to sing in a language spoken by the rubber aliens in the desert bar scene in the first star wars. which is, from the beginning.
*yawn*
They're not a joke to everyone because you don't yourself like the music. I don't much like Kasabian or Oasis post-1995, I wouldn't stick them in this thread though.
as I recall it back in the day
they released their first album, people quite liked it, they played live a bit, opinion started to turn, probably because how they came across in interviews and live, think mogwai summed it up quite well by saying they were one step away from lord of the rings, think there was a general pereception they were a try hard post rock band who hadnt paid their dues, then think they had a crack at america after being laughed out of britain, la types and film sound tracks loved them and they came back and people forgot and liked them again, thats how I remember it anyway
sigur ros
but then somehow everyone forgot and they became respected again, odd