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Just so I know I'm not being stupid- ALL those bands are playing on the same line up, right?

Not with the other weekend and Christmas etc.

:-(

Whilst none of those bands excite me much, I still feel a need to go to this.

You can't see Melvins or Shellac too many times, and I haven't seen Tortoise or Deerhoof for ages.

With bands I can dance to / throw gangsta hand signals up?

But I sense there is no way it will happen.

this event is THIS year?!?!

Sorry to throw negativity onto a great line up, but isn't that financial suicide? The skintest time of the year for most people, and two similar-ish weekends a week apart when I'm guessing a lot of folks who are going to the former are now wishing they were off to the latter instead?

:O

yes please

think I'm still fairly happy to be doing MBV, mind

booking tickets for NBC (which will still be good) and now seeing this, i am fairly angry at the world right now.

plus ATP NY? really?

i love ATP, but this is taking the piss a bit. people aren't made of money! why couldn't this wait until, say, April - the actual 10th year?

Quite a good line-up I think, just a bit embarassing.

I await the addition of a Thurston Moore project.

Lots of past curators. Some of the best live acts in the world.

We know four in a year is a lot but circumstances meant we had to do this one now, and it is six months off and we're offering discounts so we hope lots of people will make it as it's gonna be special.

Seriously some fucking special ace to be announced very soon. And the first list of bands? Ridiculousness.

that a lot of people would jump ship from NBC to this.

I heard this was gonna happen (but that Beck was curating??) and truth be told that lineup is great. Im guessing we are gonna see Mogwai and I'm hoping we are going to see Autechre and Slint. I just don't know if I can afford it :-(

How in the name of holy fuck I'm supposed to be able to afford two festivals two and three weeks before Christmas is beyond me.

Well done on the celebratory 10 year line-up though. Just not so well done on the timing. You motherfuckers.

The For Carnation!

This looks amazing. Who cares that there's only two bands that i haven't seen before at least once. It's not like i'm ever going to get tired of seeing Melvins or The Drones, etc.

It's a deal breaker for me Jamie, it really is...

Tho seems a bit of a piss take! Bit annoying for all those who shelled out for Nightmare before Christmas one as I assume some of the acts playing this could have potentially played the NBC one. the £20 off is good though I hope this last for a while?

waiting until now to announce this is a tad annoying to say the least. there's no way i could go to this now having already bought tickets for the mbv one. ah well, props for the ace lineup anyway.

we have the deposit scheme on again, so if people want to take advantage of that its a third of the ticket price up front and then the rest in 3 and a half months.

Yet I feel like I've been to this ATP about 3 times before?

I hope the summer one has more of a dance / post punk / hip hop / french disco vibe to it to mix it up...

Apologies for the obligatory anti-Minehead post...but shouldn't ATP's 10 year birthday party rightfully be at Camber Sands? As awesome as the lineup will surely be, Pontins is more a part of ATP's character than any of the past curators or bands are.

Hasn't that been going on with the May ATP's for years now, right? Obviously having it right near Christmas is a bit of a bummer but there is a deposit scheme.

... can it pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease be Boards of Canada??!!!

I'm gutted now. Really wish there'd at least been some indication that there would have been another one than NBC, good as it will undoubtedly be. There's no way I can afford both.

Excellent line up, I think I'd have preferred this one.

i am going to nbc and can afford to go this weekend too... but not sure i want to if this is the way atp is going to announce it and kick people in the teeth

pfft.

I dunno if I'll be able to go to either of these... hope so but it depends on so much. That said, neither lineup is jumping out massively at me at the moment, both being dominated by bands I've never heard, so I'm happy to hold out for the time being anyway to see which one ends up being stronger.

Obviously another one is just too much for us lot who are going to the MBV one, I could afford it but I can't really take that much time off work when we'll be trying to get things wrapped up before Christmas. It seems like awful timing all round, but I'm not going to act like ATP owe me anything - I'm sure whoever goes will have a great time. Also, if I had have had the choice between the two then I'd have picked the MBV one (although we'll have to see how the line-ups pan out, clearly).

This stinks. After going to one fest in may, and then skinting myself to be able to get a ticket for the MBV one, this is announced just after that sells out?!? I'm sorry but this just isn't on. This should have at least been mentioned when the MBV one was announced so a choice could have been made! Not happy!!

there'll probably be a release the bats announcement in 6 weeks or so

but in another, much more me/money-centric sense, this is an absolute kick in the teeth for everyone who had to work overtime and cobble together pennies to afford tickets for The Nightmare Before Christmas.

Basically, amazing line-up but still massive :(

just when I'd accepted I couldn't afford the MBV weekend and that now it's almost sold-out it was ok cos I couldn't do anything about it, you go and do THIS!

Grrrr! I need friends who will want to go to this as well!

couldn't that have been announced just a little bit earlier?
but still... i feel like i need to spend much more money than planned...

choosing to be out of the country for a couple of weeks in December (holiday), missing MBV NBC and now this. God damnit.

As someone said previously, don't feel as if ATP owes me anything (had so many amazing times there) but the timing of this announcement and the weekend IMO royally sucks. Surely it must have been discussed as a potential issue beforehand?

It's tough enough missing out on one of the weekends in May, but missing this one is really going to hurt. NBC will still be great but can't help but feel a little cheated - a real shame for an organisation that 99.999% of the time gets everything so right.

Still, I'm sure there'll still be loads of good additions for NBC.

Yours, still feelin' the love (just)

one of the more annoying things is that this is obviously a special ATP, 10th anniverary and all that so people are even more annoyed about not being able to go.

but if this über-ATP is going to mean us NBC ticketholders are going to be stuck with occasional side-projects, little known indie bands from the mid-80s and some randoms chucked in then I reckon a lot of people will be pissed off.

It's my first ATP, the MBV one, and I have utter faith in the bookers and Kev. But I hope the trend of diminishing returns to scale gets reversed with some eye-popping announcements or this will be a bit of a kick in the teeth.

Rumours about Mogwai, Animal Collective, The Fall and Public Enemy: PLEASE let them be true. Shame Mudhoney won't be happening now though.

am really pleased. Couldn't get tickets for NBC because I had no monies. Now I do have monies and this has come at the EXACT right time to rob me of those hard earned coins. Well done ATP, I can now treat myself to my first ATP with a lineup I could only dream of. This is especially pleasing after also missing the incredible Primavera for the same reasons as above.

about this but surely there are going to be two more 'proper' 10th anniversary ones next year which will be equally as good? I'm going to hold out to see what they pull out of the bag for them.

it wasn't a wind-up when Bob Weston said 'see you in December'

Go to all three ATPs and thats £40 a month for me (in a 4, exclusing the outrageous booking fees and travel etc) with this little addition i'm up to £53.50. Thats Council tax. Or Car Insurance. But a lot more bang for my buck.

I think we're all agreed it sucks that it couldn't have been announced at the same time to offer the choice and i'm not convinced it was a logistical nightmare as i know folks who knew about it in May this year. it does feel like a little bit of profiteering went on to get people to book up for MBV. ive never been bombarded with Its Selling out emails like that before (for ones that did unexpectedly sell out, and ones that never did).
I agree ATP dont owe me anything and it is a business but they do lead you to believe they give a s*** and they have taken steps to make this easier, cheaper etc which very few others would do.
Its a crap time of year and bad timing but an ace line up and i'm in, wether i like it or not.

But my girlfriend is moving back to Australia three days after that (me to follow)...so i think I'll be busy!

I am therefore ambivalent towards this announcement.

maybe even a double bill with MBV one as well.

just from the first announcement its clear this will be the all star ATP, reckon tnbc will be completely sidelined now as its nearly sold out theres no need to make the effort.

Whatever the reason for having to have it in december I think it was a very bad move on atp's part, lots of loyal customers will feel slighted, not the kind of ethos you'd expect from atp, it really seems like they are milking it for everything it is worth these days

but I am a bit annoyed because I got MBV tickets even though I don't care so much for the bands..and now a load of my fave bands are playing the next weekend!

So the Nightmare before Christmas wasn't actually the Nightmare before Christmas.
It was the Nightmare before the Nightmare before Christmas.

I couldn't care less lineup wise. I think the MBV one so far pisses all over this one as it's actually got some fairly non indie-centric names already on the list along with a few utterly classic bands. As opposed to the new one that just seems to be a chin-strokers delight. The kind of thing I'd have got really amazed about five years ago because it was a rare gathering but now they seem to happen all the time. ATP needs to move on a bit. Not in some big complaining way, but it's just losing all value having the same flavour and much more frequent events. But I'm still going and will have an awesome time.

But the thing that sucks is the novelty's getting totally lost. The Nightmare before Christmas has a 'The' at the beginning. Like it's the only one and you're lucky to be there. But really it's just 'A' Nightmare Before Christmas. It really is the little things like this that separates moneygrabbing shitfests from special events. But whatever.

My money is on a lot more of the new MBV weekend bands being knock offs from the second weekend now. Bit deppressing. Hopefully not.

Im seriously considering going to this

It would be my first ATP event

Be gentle

yep,i think i'll go...............!!!

this is getting done.

can i trade my ticket?

why don't you just buy tickets for both? Get a job, fuckin hippies

It's hard to believe that you have managed to annoy so many of the loyal ATP-going DiS users. I was having a moan at the haters only the other day but I'm afraid to say I can see why people aren't altogether happy about this and it's nothing to do with predictable lineups or whatever.

I would be very surprised indeed if it sold out, after all the NBC last year only 'sold out' once the goalposts were moved. None of my ATP buddies who are more 'casual' music fans will go to an ATP in December, it just isn't the same.

I'm going to the MBV, hope it will be good but I can see it going the way of the Slint one - OMG curator = weak lineup because it sold out anyway.

Disappointed.

this post from Wednesday night now:

http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4186287

Don't suppose Swervedriver are on at this one?

says to John Connor in Terminator 2, "Chill out".

so far both festivals have great line ups with big sexy indie rock names. Theyre both gonna be awesome whichever one you go to. Believe.

Some of you actually think the world resolves around you.

For the people who couldn't go to the MBV one they now have a chance to attend another festival.

the MBV one is kind of a special event as its my sisters birthday and we have a 6 berth chalet. The line up isn't looking overly 'fun' at the minute, and I only want to see MBV more than anything. Then I was thinking "Bob Weston said to me he'll be back over in December" all good. But of course it was for another ATP not the one im going to. Now i can't sell my ticket and avoid my sisters birthday. I just feel now i'm treating her to a second best option now as we'd much prefer Tortoise and For Carnation.

I love ATP but I'm starting to hate its announcements and timings. From 2010 I will be taking it easy with its line ups and maybe not wanking over it too much.

If I can justify the spend may well do both, stay down at the site between the 2 (apparently thats on a special offer), can't imagine that there is a great amount to do in the area at that time of year though, oh fudgenuggets, think I'll stick to MBV for now

But having slept on it, I'm only more annoyed (and perplexed).

What possible reason could there be for wanting to devalue a 'brand' (for want of a heinous term) that has worked so long and hard to build up an excellent and genuine reputation? Cash money basically. Given the timing, even the most die-hard ATP fan (me, probably) would find it difficult to argue that they're doing this as a 'celebration', or 'to give something back'.

I really do fear for 2010....ATP vs Playstation? Promotional staff giving away free tampons in the Crazy Horse? (especially after that questionnaire they ran on the website asking how i'd feel about carefully selected brands potentially being involved).

Am I being too harsh? Maybe I'm just behind the times and got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning. Still looking forward to NBC

about this whole NBC MBV OMG 2ATP'S 10TH FTW etc etc, because well, I booked MBV and prefer that line-up, though I can see everyone's point and if it HAD been stuff I was more into then I'd be raging.
But anyway, I would just like to take this mini-ATP backlash appropriate moment to say: I don't give a flying fuck about Sleepy Sun, stop forcing them on me.
Cheers.

I prefer the MBV one in truth.

yep, I heard about the back in december comments and it was a big part of why I bought a MBV NBC ticket - so it'd be nice if they could do that one as well, as that was kinda what I was expecting not a week later and so forth

yer fucking whinging.

and just got the usual tired old acts on? Fair enough for an anniversary, but let's draw a line here shall we?

And whoever was spouting about some bands playing gigs in london around the festival needs to think of the people who spend hours and hours and hours on trains etc to get to Minehead. We don't all live in the south.

Still, are we expecting a similar sized lineup for the 10th anniversary one i.e. about 35+ bands?

... Think that this is a really shitty thing for ATP to have pulled. The planning on this event must have been in the pipeline way before the MBV NBC was announced, so they really should have let people know that there were going to be two December events.

That said, I'm still happy enough with the current line up on the MBV one, I'm just concerned, like everyone else, that all the further good stuff is now going to go to the big gay birthday bash (at which most of the ATP faithful won't be present, as they will already have their tickets for MBV (again, brilliant planning ATP)). I do worry about the kind of two-bit smaller acts that are likely to appear on the MBV one now.

What are the chances that we will see some of the line-up from the birthday event appear on the MBV one? I'd love to see Tortoise again, having not seen them live for over a decade.