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if so, probably not.
I am currently breeding a killer cross between Bulldogs and vampire bats that I will train to attack you, just because of this comment ^
and haven't listened to it for ages, maybe I should give it another chance.
Fugazi will not be held responsible for the number of girls who do or do not like you. Your statutory rights are not affected.
Anyway.... I don't think 13 songs necessarily shows them at their best constantly. You should definitley try 'The Argument'
But it's not far off it. For instance, Relationship of Command is better.
Relationship Of Command is inconsistent, too long, totally up-itself at times, and just generally the most consistently overvalued album on these boards.
The Argument is a masterpiece.
but i get the feeling it's only so highly rated on boards like this because for a generation of indie fans it was their first exposure to 'aggressive' music - and because it was released at the height of numetal so it seemed comparatively fresh and amazing. although it was part of the big ross robinson hype machine.
pretty much pure gold from start to finish. Where is it up-itself? That's astrange thing to say about an album that's full of straight up, catchy, rock songs.
It starts well enough, and then from track 7 onwards there's barely a half-decent track in sight. And with the possible exception of 'Rolodex Propaganda', nothing on the second half sounds remotely catchy to me.
Up-itself? Try lengthy ballads about Mexican prostitutes, the shite sixth-form(sorry, clever/abstract)lyrics, the generally overwrought tone of the whole thing, etc.
some of the same accusations could be thrown at Fugazi, but for me they have a subtlety, mastery of tone and ability to vary the pace and intensity of things which totally outstrips ATD-I.
it's a good sugar rush kind of album lots of loud noises and yelping in the rights places but it doesn't have the depth or weight as something like The Argument.
The start of the record, especially Pattern Against User and One-Armed Scissor, but taken as a whole I don't see why there's such a fuss made over it - what you said above about nu-metal is maybe the best explanation.
neither are numetal. do either sound like limp bizkit. no. so shut up with the b*llshit mis-labelling.
I recently revisited Relationship (which I loved on its release). Its actually a pretty bad album. too many average songs, lacking in depth and generally awful production. Atd-i always ripped off fugazi. sorry.
i was saying that at the drive-in and hundred reasons got blown up and so much love because they were a fresh exciting sounding reaction to all the turgid numetal that was filling the pages of kerrang at the time.
of being "up-itself", it's such an easy insult. I really don't see At The Drive-In like this at all. Wouldn't the world of music be an interesting place if there were restrictions on what you can write about? I wasn't aware that there were any lyrics about Mexican prostitutes, but that's because I don't really listen to them. Based on the lyrics that I do remember by ATD-I and TMV, they certainly won't be dull.
ROC just plays like a collection of catchy rock songs to me and some of my favourites are in the albums second half, after Rolodex Propaganda (which is 100% perfection).
and I'm 22. It's certainly nothing to do with it being my first aggresive album, or because it was released during the time of nu-metal etc. I should say that it's not a reason for me personally, I can't speak for other people who love this album.
Well sure, write about what you like, I guess my problem is more that some of the topics they write about demand a lyrical ability they just don't have - cue OTT imagery and unintentionally hilarious nonsense. Fugazi (woo, back on topic briefly) have a large number of political lyrics, but were always both sharp enough and down-to-earth enough not to rely on amateur poetry, melodramatic flourishes, etc to get the message across. That's where ATD-I end up sounding up-themselves. And that's not just an issue with the lyrics - their guitars are tuned to 'melodrama' throughout, it's all so unsubtle, but unsubtle without being consistently fun.
I find the second half a bit of a long slog, tbh. Name me some songs after track 6 which are catchy and I'll listen.
I'm making it sound like I hate the record now, when I think it's pretty good but overvalued.
I'd say quarantined, cosmonaut, rolodex propaganda and enfilade are amazing tracks. The guitars are always set to melodramatic but equally importantly (or in my opinion more so) there is some of the most genuinely innovative guitar work I've heard on any album, in At the drive-in Omar played guitar like literally no one else I've ever heard. I can see why people don't like it, as you said it's not high on the subtlety, but I think it is an important album.
I often applaud Fugazi for their subtlety but sometimes I think Fuck subtlety! Really, does it really have that much to do with your enjoyment of the music?
Even if nobody else is. 'Stankonia' and 'Kid A' run it fairly close, but I've got to say that in terms of consistent brilliance punctuated by several genuinely draw-dropping moments (the end of 'Epic Problem'! That instrumental passage mid-way through 'Life and Limb'! The entirety of 'Ex-Spectator' and the title track! And rounded off by both consistent lyrical brilliance and the knowledge that this is a band who have completely mastered a different style of music to the one they were kicking arse at in the early 1990s...yep, this is the one.
very probably. Certainly a podium finish.
it sounded like the sort of thing i don't listen to because i don't like listening to things that sound like this sort of thing
that's a 'no' from me
I bought the first single off of it and it left me with no opinion whatsoever. Also this decade, I have liked this lot for starters:
Alligator / Boxer
Monday at the Hug and Pint
Drum's not dead
Boy in Da corner
So probably not in my book, no.
On a more serious note, there wasn't a single released from The Argument and Drums Not Dead and Curses are no wai good
i thought i was the only one
Worst fiver I ever spent douchebag, WORST FIVER I EVER SPENT. And I don't even mind slightly ropey production. You must have had a heart attack. Indie Rock Tribal Drumming is cool, it's just they're doin it wrong.
there was the Furniture single around at the same time but that didn't have any tracks from that album on it. I liked that single a lot too though so whaddoiknow
May be my fave Fugazi track actually.
Maybe I should give it a go then.
As should you with 'Drums not dead' my friend. It reaps rich rewards
MADEABE USEBY PEEOPLE!
The Guy song on the single is amazing, I think I like that song even more at the moment. Less funny to type out the lyrics to it though
'Full Disclosure' is probably the best singly song of the decade...
I'm not sure about declaring this album....Then again I don't think I listen to much after 1990s
It's Exhibit A by The Features.
My fave of the 00s is Ys
I've listened to that three times today. I have listened to the Argument none times all week!
but it is really fucking good. That instrumental passage in Epic Problem just before it breaks down = YES.
Original Pirate Material
69 Love Songs
Things We Lost in The Fire
Top 50 maybe
Top 10 though.
it was a hip hop album about jazz
not being 'As the Roots Undo' by Circle Takes the Square, so no.
But yeah - top ten, great album
I <3 this opinion.
I'm now listening to Fugazi for the first time.
i hated Circel Takes the Square record. I can see why people like it, but i couldnt get into its 'tone'...
Im going to put in my top 10 for the Noughties - TORCHE 'MEANDERTHAL' a highly under-rated pop, rock, sludge & psychedelic release that will become timeless to me.
That there is only one best album. Show your working please.
all i remember is really disliking the singing, i'm going to struggle to get past that aren't i?
that said, the enthusiasm for it on here has made me want to give it another go.
..has to win best Fugazi album for me. It's one of those records that brings me back to happy times. Was listening to waiting room the other day...that never fails to bring out the air-bass guitar player in me.
Nearly made me crash on 3 occasions, so excited did it make me.
WHAT an album.
And to think I properly hated it the first time I heard it...
Completely and utterly.
..explosions in the sky "the earth is not a cold dead place"
just saying is all
EITS aren't that good.
In on the kill taker and Steady Diet of nothing are easily much better albums, hence not the best album of the 00's.
however my shortlist would be;
happy songs for happy people
ease on down the road
they threw us in a trench and stuck a monument on top
the difference between me and you is that im not on fire
which one to take the top spot would be hard to choose.
the argument is good but not the best of the 90's...it'd be topped for me be at least all of the following:
Unwound - Leaves Turn Inside Me
GYBE - Lift yr skinny fists...
Tool - Lateralus
Isis - Panopticon/Oceanic (can't split em)
Joanna Newson - Ys
Boris - Pink & Rock Dream
Jesu - S/T
Liars - DND
Shellac - 1000 Hurts
Sigur Ros - ()
Battles - Mirrored
LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver
The National - Boxer/Alligator
Radiohead - Kid A/Amnesiac
Tim Hecker - Harmony in Ultraviolet
Elliott Smith - From a Basement on a Hill
p.s. EITS are the most overrated of all the post-rockers
...are the most over-rated of all the list-makers.
but it might be Yankee Hotel Foxtrot.