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what are Isis doing? (although they are very good). Not heard much DMST, or any Jakob.
I'm going to do my own little post-rock type one, just for kicks.
65daysofstatic > Sigur Ros > GY!BE > Mogwai >>> A Silver Mt.Zion > God Is An Astronaut > This Will Destroy You
I'm not going to include all the new breed of post-rocky bands, it wouldn't be fair on them, as they don't have enough material to be compared.
set fire to flames > godspeed > a silver mt zion > mono > mogwai > explosions in the sky
stick them in after Mogwai.
Got them in just before Explosions for me.
to be compared with those?
and they're shit. Good enough for me.
I dont get this, should I?
tend to be better. It's a strange genre like that. There are some decent bands that are more obscure, so this is a generalisation, I know.
After the top 10 or so named here; there's not much more you there to fill your post-rock needs.
gosdpeed, mogwai, and eits seem to define the genre and other bands mix up the elements established by those bands
Sure they've had loads of copyists, but to say they established the genre is to ignore the decade of post-rock before them.
the first 4 might be my top 4, but then there's a gap before the rest. And everything > Mogwai.)
but I think those three bands have become the main three strands of post rock
insofar as most bands of the noughties who have got any attention have displayed the influence of at least one of the three. I think I was more taking issue with the general impression (not actually voiced, I admit) that ALL the key artists of the genre are from the post-Sigur Ros/GY!BE era, or are Mogwai.
"Key artists" makes it sound like I'm trying to objectify it in terms of most important/influential/whatever. I don't really care about that - if someone held up an album and said it had influenced EVERYTHING I listen to, but it was awful, I wouldn't listen to it. All I really mean is that many of my favourite post-rock albums are from the mid-90s and I just think it's a shame they seem to be constantly overlooked these days.
Rank it alongside my other pet peeve of reviewers always starting articles with the words, "Most post-rock is rubbish and sounds the same but X are different...". And then get on with your life.
but I think 65dos have been very influential in post-rock circles, it wouldn't be right not to have them in there somewhere. I think the problem with eits, is that there take on post-rock wasn't exactly very original to begin with, whereas 65dos did bring a more unique sound "to the table".
I never mix them up, even when I type fast. This is a bad sign :(
I'd argue though they were fairly original in that they dropped a lot of the original darkness and minimalism that had been enspoused by bands like Tortoise, GY!BE and Mogwai who could maybe be considerered the founders of the genre, for something slightly more melodic and triumphant sounding.
since they all sound exactly the same.
there are clear difference between some of the major post-rock bands.
But as none of the major post-rock bands fall into the category of "influenced-by-65dos", I fail to see the relevance...
But that would be ridicu... Oh, wait.
I thought you couldn't see much difference between 65dos and eits etc. not the bands that came afterwards and had been influenced by them. I think any post-rock bands that lean more towards the glitchy, electronic, post-rock hybrid sound, will probably have been influence by 65dos. Mogwai used some electronics, but in a very different way, it was much more minimalist for a start. Upcdownc and Maybeshewill are definite "influenced by 65dos" bands, I'm sure of it.
but I'm going to relisten to winter hymn now just for kicks
they bring something interesting to the table melodically, for once. Frederica's one of my favourite pieces of music ever.
God Is an Astronaut> This Will Destroy You> Isis> 65dos> Caspian> Maybeshewill> Her Name Is Calla
Plenty notable exclusions, yep.
anybody who thinks the best thing is something that isn't on constellation (or possibly kranky at a push) is probably lying to themselves or a dumb baby. most bands post godspeed are really dry, terrible melodically and add nothing to music in general. simple, uncreative music masquerading as high art, there's no complexity but there's the pretense to there being some, so much pseudo intellectual crap.
show me something creative that's happened in the genre in the last couple of years for the love of god, and no trash like this will destroy you et al.
people that have a chip on their shoulder about post-rock music make me laugh. We get it, you think most post-rock is crap, there's no need to be such a cunt about it. Most people will accept that the vast majority of it is pretty dull and formulaic, but most of your comments are just cheap shots.
Some of my favourite bands/albums of all time would probably be described as post rock. I genuinely wish there was something decent going on, but its just a load of terrible copyists. That last sentence wasn't being facetious, I really would like to hear something decent to happen in the genre. Just anything which wasn't a formulaic EITS/Godspeed/Sigur Ros rip off.
they're very valid criticisms and pretty much the reason for the stagnation of the genre; its an easy route to (supposedly) artistic music for a whole heap of uncreative student types. They fit an archetype even more than landfill indie bands do
possibly Grails (although this is just what I've been told, I haven't received the album I ordered yet). I like Maybeshewill and Upcdownc, but I wouldn't exactly call them original (or copyists). There is a middle ground where a bands influences can be heard, but they're not copyists either.
There are an awful lot of copyists, but how much original music is there across all genres? Not much.
vessels are alright, but ruin it whenever they sing. album is pretty hit and miss. grails are decent, maybeshewill and upcdownc are pretty boring. i thought they were ok back when i listened to a whole heap of post rock, but i wasn't exactly very discerning and find it hard to bring myself to listen to them now. i think the only recent post rock band that i've really liked has been we vs death, who don't do anything crazily different but have the most amazing sense of melody ever. these monsters are also fantastic
Grails aside Ive barely heard an interesting post-rock band in years.
such that once bands start to experiment and push boundaries they stop being post rock (I've heard people arguing that 65dos for example or Tortoise aren't 'really post-rock')
If you take this very narrow definition of post rock then all you are left with in the genre are those bands who slavishly stick to the GY!BE format without experimenting it and therefore it becomes apriori stale.
The boundaries do seem very narrow. If we start to call every band that pushes these boundaries "not really post-rock", then how can we possibly have a wide range of sounds? In my mind Sigur Ros are more post-rock than anything, but so many people argue that they're nothing to do with the genre.
I dont think mono brought anything new to the genre but there music is so well crafted making them one of the best
But that changes regularly.
and Explosions in the Sky are a bit of a yawn-fest
Mono > Godspeed... > 65daysofstatic > Mogwai > Do Make Say Think > Sparrows Swarm & Sing > Red Sparowes > God is an Astronaut dot dot dot
There's some red sparowes lyrics written on the side of edinburgh uni halls. I like to tell this story to everyone so they'll see how cool edinburgh is.
shameless godspeed clone but pretty good ones
is that Jakob should be first
Mono > Sigur Ros > Yndi Halda > Balmorhea > Mogwai > EITS > GYBE
they come after GY!BE pour moi
but i've only heard 'Hex', which is supposed to be their best. Any ideas of what i should go for next?
...i like mogwai, i like eits and i also like 65dos (just found one time for all time cd again, the empty box been driving me mad!), is this "wrong"? I really can't remember hearing too much GYBE, so um should i?
So yeah, what am i missing, is the last band in the series of > crap or just not nearly the first with the crap ones omitted entirely?
they might take some getting used to as their songs are long even by post rock standards and they mix in ambient/drone and field recordings, but they are pretty much the greatest.
Cant speak for anyone else but in my series of >'s eits are at the end who I quite like, the bands I think are rubbish I just ommitted form the list
crap then wow i'd have some stuff to buy!
On lastfm now listening to gybe radio, a silver mt zion sound ok, not sure about the vocals mind you.
Is different, and takes some getting used to but I love it now. Such a powerful live band as well.
I wouldnt really classify their later albums as post-rock - alot more folk and americana influences in it.
and only had time to listen to a few and mogwai and eits got a lot of attention, gybe less. So earlier is more what i'd be looking for then?
do make say think now on lastfm, not bad.
I think "horses in the sky" is the best album, but all of them are really good. They seem to have got progressively more folky but there usually throw in a few suprises.
The early stuff is easier to listen to, as the vocals are less prominent and jarry.
I might have a listen myself.
i'm really quite enjoying this evening or post rock.
But I get real pleasures kranking "motherfucker = redeemer" at full volumes.
(gy!be track on yanqui u.x.o)
if you listen to their albums in the order they came out it eases you into the vocals more, i'd imagine hearing them straight away would be quite jarring, really good lyrics though. I think you can listen to all of the first godspeed album and slow riot for new zero canada ep on last.fm
you'd be a little disgruntled if you accidentally bought the polish hip hop one.
if you have even the slightest interest in post-rock. The amount of bands that have tried to copy them and failed, is testament to how good they were.