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Silly question indeed.
batted back and fore over the years (not just relating to music but art, literature, science, politics and hell, even cooking) a silly question?
In many areas of the arts, medicine, public life in general women have been seriously disadvantaged in taking their due credit/getting the recognition (clunking example - George Eliot but that was a relatively short century and a half ago) but as music has exploded in the past half century or more have we been able to see some truly great female musicians take their place on an equal footing with male counterparts or like with many things do we just give a nod to the quirky/kooky female figure?
Where's Jane Hendrix or Janet Bonham? Do we/would we welcome a full on rock out with your cock/clit out female Slash? (poor example again, I apologise but hopefully you get the gist).
You didn't make any mention of the (in)equality with the male position.
Nor should 'great' musicians (a risky thing to be anyway) have to be comparable with the 'rock gods' you mentioned.
I'll take my original answer. Newsom is a better musician for me than Bonham, Clapton, Santana, Moon, Hendrix. And more importantly, unlike a lot of 'great musicians', she can write some brilliant songs as well.
that deaf woman
who plays the glockenspiel?
I have no idea if she is considered by those in a position to judge such a thing a great musician or not but she does hear through her feet.
she used to appear on stuff like Going Live when I was a kid. She's pretty amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0eHY0cECcQ&feature=related
all of these people have vaginas and also have made some of my favourite music. Not that vaginas are requisite for rocking Hurricane Tommy's world, mind you.
You, KlingKlang, are very silly.
is another 1 I'd like to throw into the hat, even though she went insane and disappeared for 30 years. But she doesn't get enough mentions I feel.
are presuming I am coming at it from a "no there aren't" point of view which makes you like, WAY silly.
'Le Fil' is one of the most exceptional albums I've ever heard.
Bjork, PJ harvey and Marnie stern (check out her latest album) are some of my favourites..and sonic youth have a female member of course. Erase errata are even all female and are great
I think that's the only answer you need really.
Rick Wakeman is definitely a guy
secondary teacher as well, she didn't last very long though. Chunty McDougal threw a bunsen burner at her one day, it smashed her nose in, she ran out of class crying and never came back.
i hear they don't even like music very much (!)
Amanda Palmer is my favorite though
I dunno if you lot will count them as musicians mind as they maked music on compuetrs synths etc... surley thats musicianship innit?
gail ann dorsey (david bowie's bass player)
Regine from Arcade Fire
The woman from The Knife
the girl from mum?
the girl from Stereolab
Debbie Harry don't play an instrument as far as I know. Nor did quite a few on your list.
Fair point. I kind of took a sideways view at the thread, and simply put down those who I thought conveyed artistic ideals to me.
...which wouldn't explain Moe Tucker, but still.
but it is hard to think of a lot of them of the top of your head, I mean people who are more famous for being musicians than singer/songwriters. I'm struggling to think of anyone who hasn't been mentioned already. I want to say The Slits but they were terrible. Can I nominate Stacia from Hawkwind?
ladyhawke can play drums really well, and she's a much better guitarist than she makes out too.
poision ivy from the cramps? not a virtuoso but really gave that band the right feel with her playing.
probably lots of others, i can't think right now.
someone who can "play guitar better than she makes out" as a truly great musician then we are in trouble.
she wrote everything on that album and arranged it all which is amazing as it is. If you listen to her old bands as well it's very different to what she does now which shows she is diverse also.
one thing i will say is that i think doesn't have the most amazing voice. but the thread is about musicians right? not singers.
since when has a singer not been a musician? Why is this an important distinction to make?
If you're looking for modern examples of women renouned for their musicianship in particular, the obvious example would be Marnie Stern, she's very 'technical', although thats not necessarily what I like about her.
Overall though, I'm just intrigued by your question and why its particularly important to you that there should be women in music who fit this particular description rather than just having made a contribution of any kind.
about this dear, it's just a talking point.
i think there is a definite distinction between a singer and a musician - a singer uses their voice and a musician tends to play an instrument in case you were confused. I can name a slew of amazing, breathtaking, awe inspiring female singers/singer songwriters but was interested to hear what musicians would be cited.
Rather than assume some moral high ground (it's always a long way down), why not be a little more open minded about discussing music.
I'd add Sheila E to the list too, btw.
Women are smart enough to take different approach to music than "i can play 100 notes in a minute and bore everyone with a 10 minutes solo". Slash is a last person i will call a great musician, brainless bollocks. However, if you're really looking for a female Slash with a clit out check out guitarist from Nashville Pussy:
There was also this woman famous in the 80s who played for Michael Jackson but i forgot her name, was proper Slash as well.
If we're talking about being great musicians and having high technical ability as well, Poison Ivy from The Cramps is ace guitarist.
Babes in Toyland are very good musicians as well, as well as Bush Tetras and the list can go on..
Alright give me the 10 greatest records of all time.
Unless you're some pitchfork reading cockend, and you've out some sleater kinney record there, there isn't a woman in sight.
I think I should become gay. Women are shit.
Sonic Youth or Pixies records in there of course. In which case you'd be a tit.
Sonic Youth or Pixies? ahahhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
have a woman (Francoise Hardy) in your top-5 most played on last.fm.
People who listen to music which sounds like it was made after 1975 aren't all cockends btw.
.....Tapestry would probably be rated in the top ten all time greatest records, judging by sales at least.
so every women got together, found out they had the same taste in music, and went for it?
i love how you feminist types ALWAYS act the exact same as any chauvinist, like wee wrightylew down here
Thats 1000 notes maths fans.
What are great records for you? Unless you're a boring testosterone fueled twat you won't consider shite like Rolling Stones or Led Zepellin to be great
if so, then surely the same applies for women,except with oestrogen? i mean, if were going to break half of humanity down to a single hormone, why not do it for the other half?
like Led Zep and the Rolling Stones are as/were as big as they are cos women loved them equally and it was/is (whatever floats your boat) music to fuck to/want to fuck to.
As it was, so it is. Same as it ever was.
what a douchebag
As a symbol of female empowerment in alternative rock, she's great. But whenever I've seen her live, she looks a bit clueless with her instrument, like you can almost tell Thurston has instructed her what to play all along. I don't mean to be patronising or anything about that, but it just really seems like she doesn't know what to do, while Lee and Thurston are tossing their guitars about and being adventurous. Kim always seems to be sticking meticulously to the script.
Her lyrics leave a lot to be desire too, with Thurston and Lee once again seeming more assured but this time with their words. She's had the occasional flash of brilliance, such as the immortal Tunic and I really like JC off Dirty. But then at the start of Dirty you've got Swimsuit Issue, the lyrics of which are an absolute affront to words. "I'm from Sherman Oaks / Just a wheel with spokes". No offense, Kim, but shut the fuck up. It's really irritating because it's musically so thrilling.
I'd pick PJ Harvey for the title of Truly Great Female Musician. Indeed, I think she's so Great that she shouldn't even be lumped in with the women, and that her peers should be folk like Nick Cave, men she's stood against and left more than a little damaged. She's a good example for female empowerment, without actually trying or intending to or even caring about it, and even more adventurous than most of the boys, but still able to write on their par without having to subjugate herself. Plus, she's got a wicked sense of humour, as in Man-Size or 50 Ft. Queenie. I love her.
she's a character, with her shit eating grin and whole girl-next-door-in-a-rad-band thing, but the period she is most fondly remembered for was when she was playing back-up to Frank Black. Sure, Last Splash might be good, but is it actually great? Was she really great in Pixies? No. She's just a fun rock character.
Pod is a genuinely great album and their cover of Happiness is A Warm Gun (maybe) manages to better one of the Beatles' best songs
in a fucking amazingly written-whaever type way. kim gordon i take it, she just has a cool way of singin and shit, but Deal is full on a songwriter.
and I like The Breeders, but I don't think she's Great. Gigantic and Canonball are good hits, but not great songs.
But she does spend most of the time being bassist, and it's sort of her job to stay rigid and not go off on a frenzical tangent. She's certainly not an amazingly technical bassist, but I do love what she plays (even more so in Harry Crews, who you should check out if you haven't already).
But not being a skilled bassist isn't being a great musician. In fact, some times I've just seen Kim stop playing whenever a noisy bit comes up, instead of keeping some sort of grounding to it. Similarly, whenever she's been playing guitar, she's just sort of meekly plucked at the strings.
Anyway. I've heard of Harry Crews, but I haven't heard them. That was the band she did with Lydia Lunch, right?
To be honest I've never really paid that much attention to her bass playing, my focus has generally been on Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo when I've seen Sonic Youth live.
Harry Crews are great, you should definitely listen to them. Their drummer is a pro-wrestler :D
every last one. even the good ones.
An absolute pioneer.
klingklang, you wondered if there's been a "Janet Bonham" and I really think Janet Weiss is the closest we'll ever get. Listen to the start of Sleater-Kinney's 'Entertain' and you'll hear how brilliant she is.
Kaki King is pretty incredible, musically, even though she plays all that technically impressive guitar battering shite that I hate, she's at least good at it, and her songs-that-actually-sound-like-songs are pretty decent.
Her from JJ72
K D Lang
Sybil (you remember, 'When I'm Good and Ready')
feist being mentioned
asking why there aren't as many famous female rawk guitarists is a bit like asking why there aren't as many female car mechanics, it's just a traditionally male role. i would say there are as many brilliant female musicians as there are male ones, just less that happen to play rock music in a band.
Christina Carter and Heather Leigh Murray (Charalambides)
Tara Burke (Fursaxa)
Merja Kokkonen (Islaja)
Adrienne Davies (Earth)?
Mrs. Loud who sang the chorus on Meat Loaf's "I Would Do Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That)"
She plays a mean Jew's Harp
The character that Lauren Hill played in Sister Act II
I'm sure there are loads still but I cannot name many all time favourite guitar riffs that were done by women, almost all of them were engineered by some cool geezer.
Where are the shit hot female rock and blues guitarists - the really famous ones other guitarists listen to and inspire them to pick up strings? There aren't many that are stewing around in the popular consciousness that's for sure. I go back to an original point made - I want some 'rock Goddesses' held up equally to the males ones we all know and love.
I know quite a few youngsters taking their lessons on guitar and all of them will be able to tell you who Hendrix or Paige was but non will have iconic images of female guitarists smashing their instruments on a stage floors, stuck to their bedroom walls.
She will shred you face off
...I'm sure both of them are very exceptional but let's try it...
"Paige, Hendrix, Naomi, Waters, Green, STERN, BUTCHER..." Who? They have not concreted themselves onto the popular consciousness as these other names have (who may be less talented) and we all know that. The interesting question is why they haven't.
probably my favourite musician ever.