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With the exception of maybe I Know It's Over and Last Night I Dreamt Somebody Loved Me, they are consistently hilarious.
I agree with you, have had this arguement with people a million times.
and have you seen the bands they were playing with on top of the pops in the 80s?!
who wouldn't look miserable next to those overenthusiastic freaks
and people are stupid.
I know, it's serious.
Probably their saddest lyrics IMO
when I was listening to The Queen Is Dead and Vicar in A Tutu came on.
You can see how it happens though. Two of their most famous songs are probably How Soon Is Now and There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (which people tend to miss the absurdity of), while Frankly Mister Shankly and Unhappy Birthday aren't that well known. But even those people should've heard This Charming Man.
"Back To The Old House" that's a barrel of laughs!
But seriously, some of the early stuff is quite sad (in a nice sad way) and the rest is narked/angry stuff. The Smiths were great. It's only depressing if you aint in the mood for it. Or drive a Mondeo.
you could meet somebody who really loves you
so you go and you stand on your own
and you leave on your own
and you go home and you cry and you want to die
but I find it funny because it's such a true observation. What do most people do in clubs apart from stand around drinking shit drinks and being deafened by loud music? It's not like there's any great poetry to be found in a "Pimps and Prostitutes get in free night", is there?
It's happened to us all. "Mate, you've got to come down [Insert Club/Bar] because the [Girls/Boys] are well buff." And then what happens?
Exactly what Mr Morrissey said.
But at the time it was terrible'
They sound pretty nuts to me. I don't think I've ever laughed out loud to a song, probably just smiled or something.
Anyway, I think people find The Smiths depressing because Morrissey is mostly a torch singer who does write some very sad songs and was depressed himself when he wrote them. Some songs are depressing and some are funny, but to say they are "consistently hilarious" is making out as if every song is a joke.
I've probably found more Nick Cave songs humorous than Smiths songs.
and pretty much every song has a decent joke in it.
And while every song may have a decent joke in it, they're not three minutes of total laugh riots. One line can be so crushing and the next really, really funny.
"Jack, it's too bad about the way that you look"
"You I gave that horse a carrot so he'd break your foot."
I laugh every time. Totally absurdly brilliant. I can actually see him giving the horse the carrot. C'est ridiculé.
"You know I gave that horse a carrot so he'd break your foot."
the Smiths are called depressing by people who feel excluded by them. Songs about the tragedy / absurdity of life as an outsider aren't for everybody.
In fact, I suspect there are people for whom listening to the Smiths might risk exposing the yawning void at the centre of their life. Much as attending a filming of Top Gear might expose mine. So I call Clarkson a twat and they call Morrissey miserable. And everybody's happy.
a few people I work with have said to me "why do you listen to the smiths, they're well depressing" BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY THINK SNOW PATROL ARE GOOD FUN?
The Smiths are great and funny, but Snow Patrol - now there's a dreary dirgy band.
Anyway, fuck 'em.
Would you like to marry me?/
And if you like you can buy the ring"
How is that not laugh out loud funny?
"A jumped-up pantry boy", "The monkish monsignor, with a head full of plaster said 'My man, get your vile soul dry-cleaned!'", the list is endless!
i don't think that its their lyrical content as of much, and especially Marr's guitar lines, if anything thats very positive.
Just like Joy Division or other 'indie' bands with a northern atmosphere to their music. It generates a feeling of industrious Manchester, suburbs and some kind of depression working class. Which to me I find depressing.
Does that make sense?
with a big nose, who knows
but you're right that it's not depressing - it's sometimes about the things to do with being in states of sadness, but that's as far as it goes. It doesn't make me think introspectively about my own life and plight and feel sorry for myself and nobody understands me &c. like some other (less good) music tries to.
I don't see how music that's so uniting and self actualising can make people feel depressed.
If you don't get that kind of tongue in cheek black humour then it's going to pass you by.
Some people need their humour signposted. Morrissey doesn't have a big cheesy grin on when he's singing.
Plus the fact that the majority of people in life are sheep and they've heard journalists call The Smiths depressing.
the downwards dropping melody. I make a good impression but you can't hear me can you? the äääaaa... anyone knows what I mean?
then maybe cry a bit because you know he was actually really depressed at the time and it is depressing things he's singing about. It's possible for something to be funny and sad at the same time though, i think that's what morrissey did best.
She said, "I know you and you CANNOT SING"
I said, "That's nothing - you should hear me play piANA".
I remember at school nobody like The Smiths except me. Someone did tell me they like What Difference due to its rollocking riff but apart from that..........People did say they were depressing but thats cos they never listened to them. The reason they said that was a combination of song titles (Girlfriend in a Coma, Heaven Knows Im Miserable Now), Morrissey's voice and their image. They were never glamourous and so when the uninitiated saw him on tv with a hearing aid / NHS Specs / flowers drooping out of ill-fitting jeans it added to their idea of The Smiths as worn down, hopeless and depressing.
Of course every fan knows that there is a lot of humour in the songs and clever lines and that the songs are more affecting cos of this. Had Morrissry been a po-faced wrist slasker then they wouldve been depressing and hard work to listen to. Not so. However, in the sixth form I was introduced to Joy Division - a band Id previously ignored - and a friend gave me 3 tapes with everything they had ever done. Yeah I really liked it but the difference between them and The Smiths couldnt have been more evident. "Bleak", "bereft of hope", "claustrophobic" are words / phrases you couldnt level at The Smiths but fitted JD like a glove (not all the time but a hell of a lot).
If you want to call a band depressing it sure as hell isnt The Smiths. Depressing makes you feel more alone and The Smiths didnt do that.
The Smiths made you feel like there was someone else who didnt fit in and was kind of alright with that.
But 'people' made snap decisions based upon third hand hearsay from other 'people' without listening to the band. And 'people' are, generally speaking, cunts. All of whom need to be dagged. Right in their cuntish, snow patrol and chris rea listening, faces. =)
chris rea outta this!
you are correct
depression with melancholy and they're really not the same thing. I remember reading a quote from Moz where he said that melancholy was useful and fueled creativity, whereas depression is debilitating.
To me The Smiths are a melancholy band, often celebrating the dark humor and even exhiliration that can sometimes go along with being sad.
? It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench of murder ?
I laugh during that song more than any other Smith song.
saying otherwise is nitpicking
that or you're being picky about when you listen to them. if they're depressing when you're not in the mood for them then they're depressing aren't they?
and they have an absolute litany of titles that are depressing, Asleep, That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore(!), This Night Has Opened My Eyes, Reel Around the Fountain, Never Had No One Ever
it's like saying Elliott Smith isn't depressing just because he gets the girls in Pretty (Ugly Before) and Say Yes, it's THAT ridiculous.
everyone knows you can feel better by listening to sad songs when you're sad... that doesn't make them not sad.
asleep, this night has opened my eyes & reel around the fountaincould quite easily be happy titles depends what you read into them
Depressing music is everywhere. Chris Brown being on the playlist at Radio 1 is depressing, the hollow grandstanding of Snow Patrol is depressing, the dumb aggression of Tom from Kasabian's voice is depressing - but I don't see how The Smiths can be depressing, and if you're going to counter that by saying 'they deal with melancholy themes' - then that pretty much makes 99% of any meaningful art-form depressing doesn't it? Like saying you won't watch American Beauty or read The Count of Monte Cristo or don't appreciate Guernica because they don't portray happy people doing nice stuff
The Smiths aren't the sound of one man's suicidal despair, they celebrate life's absurd fleetingless, they make you realise you're not alone, they have wit and verve and soul and a beautiful poetry that makes me feel glad to be alive
Can understand if you don't like his voice mind
and couldn't understand why I liked them. Her reference point for them was "he was weird and had flowers on top of the pops, I didn't get it". etc
I said he was a brilliant lyricist with a oddly brilliant sense of humour. She weren't buying it.
that is remotely slow that isn't a love song. They've always thought this about 'indie' music. Don't have conversations with them about music.
"The Smiths Disco
Friday, 6 July 2012
Dusk Till Dawn, Archway
1 Archway Road, N19 3TD London, United Kingdom
The music of Morrissey and The Smiths only, all night. A chance for London's ambitious outsiders to dance their legs down to the knees."