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are shit. Automatically. No exceptions.
Theres something really not right about it.
that is for you
not even if they do it ironically?
as long as one of the lyrics isn't "Hi, I'm singing a song! Have you noticed how this is a song?! It's a song!" Or anything along those lines.
but for the most part - shit.
It's silly to say it can't work, or that musicians shoudln't write be permitted to write songs that contemplate their art and the effect of art on a person and vice-versa (I don't care how pretentious that sounds). For example music can function as a form of therapy for some people and, if your'e gonna write openly and honestly about your emotions, then maybe the effects of being a songwriter on your emotions are fair game.
I agree that it often doesn't work and that silly self-referential-ness or (shudder) post-modernism isn't ideal but to rule these kinds of songs out completely is a mistake.
(well, sort of, depending on your interpretation)?
"And we're coming to the chorus now.."
"I'll write you a song, and it won't be hard to sing..."
Yeah, Squirrel Song is okay.
and they're mostly pretty great.
Jeffrey Lewis' Songs About Songwriting is really good as well.
that pretty much invalidates my point further down.
Kasher doesn't count, he's post-whateverthegenreoflazyselfreferencingsongswouldbecalled-core
that completely invalidated this point.
The worst excuse for a song ever
Shame, really, 'coz they're not actually a bad band. Zero Zero is good.
Songs, however, that reference "bling" = shite. No exceptions.
It depends on the songwriter. It's silly to say it can't work, or that musicians shouldn't write be permitted to write songs that contemplate their art and the effect of art on a person and vice-versa (I don't care how pretentious that sounds). For example music can function as a form of therapy for some people and, if your'e gonna write openly and honestly about your emotions, then maybe the effects of being a songwriter on your emotions are fair game.
In fact, this thread is so, so wrong.
is the PARADIGM of right.
* Songs that are about the process of writing a song
* "Days of the week" songs ("Friday I'm In Love" aside)
she is basically the worst woman alive
(I still have trouble believing this song actually exists)
and give birth to them through my cock, than go anywhere near that
You could be like that woman who wrote the response song to the guy who sang that one that went "Fuck You (I don't want you back)" and was in fact called that probably.
an anti-Natasha Bedingfield concept album more like.
Track 2 would be : I wish you'd had the quadbike accident instead
in every song
And yes, this is my singing voice
It's not irony
And it's not rock and roll
I'm just talking
To the kids!
I'll save that thought till later on
You want to know if there's something wrong?
One of the greatest songs ever written, so sadly you are wrong.
SYMM by the Manics, on the other hand, supports your theory.
What would you say ?
the sort of song that ignites the airwaves
the sort of song that makes people glad to be where they are
with whomever they're there with
this is war
Every line is about who I don't wanna write about anymore
I hope you come down with something they can't diagnose
Don't have the cure for
Holding on to your grudge
It's so hard to have someone to love
Keeping quiet is hard
Cuz you can't keep a secret
If it never was a secret to start
At least pretend you didn't want to get caught
We're consentrating on falling apart
We were contenders, now throwing the fight
I just wanna believe - in us
A song in which to weep
While all the men and women sleep
This is a weeping
But I wooooooooooooooooooooooon't
I'd do anything for you.
Loving it now, I bet. Go on, admit it.