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Instead of the whole thing...
What do people reckon towards this?
I was looking at an unsigned band's 'space yesterday - five tracks, four of which were previews. What are you supposed to make of them from that?
when it's a big band or someone signed and its just a preview of new matterial. But as soon as that stuff is released they may as well put a full song or two up.
Young, independent bands releasing singles through independent labels and putting a preview up. I think it's mainly done to deter people from downloading the song off MySpace and actually buying the thing... Is it justifiable? Do many people here download music off MySpace (I know I have, eep!)
But by the same token: I don't think my band would ever do this!
just listening to music on myspace or ripping it from myspace instead of buying it. Myspace is only a promotional tool to give you a little idea of whats goin on with the band or what ever you can probibly listen to most of the tracks beofre you buy on things like last fm and itunes.
with sites like www.file2hd.com existing, everything you put up on myspace is a free download. BUT short previews are not the full answer to this - as everyone says, theyre annoying, presumptuous and do you no favours. maybe put up a full demo version, and when you have a really good studio version you can put a preview of that up. or a version that is the first minute of the new studio version with the rest of the song from the demo version. or just the full version with HEY THIS IS OFF MYSPACE said halfway through
there's no way whatsoever that i can stop you now that theyre on myspace and if i was desperate for you not to i just wouldn't upload them. that said, nothing on my myspace is of releasable quality, and has all been recorded for free, so i'm not losing much. one track was done on garage band in about an hour, two tracks are live acoustic recordings and one is a rough mix of a proper studio version from some free studio time, so i've got nothing to bitch about
but i'm actually just going out, sorry to disappoint.
In a serious reply to the thread shocker :
Yes, it's silly isn't it. It's usually just silly bands that do it though isn't it. Like ones with over zealous management that are rubbish.
Maybe if you're "huge" and people are excited to hear your new material then fair enough but if you're a small band then the more people who hear your songs the better.
I can sort of understand if people are worried about people ripping from Myspace instead of buying but that's no excuse - you can only put 6 songs max up on Myspace and frankly if you're in a band and don't feel you have more than 6 good songs then either
a) you've not been going long enough to worry about people ripping off your songs
b) you're almost certainly not a very good band.
and got to #18 on the UK Indie Singles chart.
That's no Leighfield.
It sounds quite good though doesn't it!
I know a band who were #10 in the indie singles chart recently. They're nowhere near retiring off the earnings.
I guess you have to re-assess why you're releasing the song in the first place.
putting it up on Myspace might be a sharp move.
Obviously if you're doing it primarily for the sales then I guess people can put previews if they want but then you'd hope for a bit more than #18 on the indie charts.
by only putting bits of your tracks up.
I know that dance acts do it all the time, they just give teh odd DJ they trust the new tracks and maybe put a snippet on myspace. Then the only place you can hear it is from the people themselves or the odd radio show. Untill finaly its built up a big buzz and they sell the full version.
Most guitar acts don't have the level of hype around them and it's not going to suddenly appear 'cos they stick a snippet of a track on Myspace.
Maybe as part of a wider marketing/hype-building campaign there might sometimes be some sense to it but it's not gonna build hype on its own.
Plus I think it depends on the music - with dance/pop/less lyric-focussed forms of music a snippet works better than lyrical stuff where a 30 second snippet out of context doesn't achieve too much.
if I was in a band (it would be shit like but...) I would definatly put full tracks up just so people could hear my stuff. Because if people are oinly gona listen to the stuff on myspace or rip a rubbish sounding copy of it then they probibly arn't gona buy your stuff anyway.
I think being able to know your place in the charts alone is impressive!
I don't think I've ever seen it anywhere and do you have to be on an indipendant label to be eligable or is it just anyone with a guitar?
Steps used to frequently top it back in the day.
Think Radio 1 lists 'em.
I will have a little hunt
Oasis are number one but it suprised me to see a bit of drum n bass and dubstep in there too with adiel
who were an indie label.
your like a broken record
you have even posted about him twice in this thread let alone all the other.
Just went through all my posts since the LL thing started. I have only referred to him in one unrelated thread other than this.
it makes me lol every time
It doesn't really make any sense too, I'd never buy a song or album based on one or two 30 second previews. That's bullshit.
would you download it (without the band allowing you) from their myspace?
One of our songs is a free download but there just isn't a link on the player. I assumed myspace was being a shit, as it frequently is and always will be, and that they forgot to add the button... But they would've fixed that by now. That's so weird though... I can't think of a decent reason to justify this.
Maybe they're thinking if people were able to download a song then they wouldn't bother streaming it/going on MySpace and want the extra traffic?
for our [JAG] new album, The Fortress & The Fatalist, out February [/JAG], when we had our first test mixes done, I did a few twenty second samples of the songs and put odd clips and voice samples inbetween, as I wanted to do what the manics had done with their 'verses from the holy bible' flexi on the front of the NME. There's a few live tracks on there as well and some video on youtube but we're not going to stream the tracks when the album is release though, we want to at least try to recoup our costs, is that so fascist?
thing for free.
Though for example with the kong single you can just watch the video on their page to hear the whole thing.
For example, I have friends whose bands are getting a decent amount of exposure, but for them recording a 3 track EP in a proper studio is fucking expensive. Therefore if they put one or two of the tracks up on their Myspace, it massively decreases the amount of money they'll get back from selling the whole EP for, say, £4 (completely reasonable when you sub in packaging and recording costs). These guys rely on stuff like t-shirt and CD sales to keep going, so if they decided to only put up a one minute clip of a four minute song, or an MP3 consisting of bits of all three songs, I think it's completely sensible.
tbh anyone who goes to the effort of ripping a shit myspace stream likely wouldn't be someone who would buy the thing in the first place.
you can now download the tracks in the same quality as when they were uploaded, so it's just as good as a proper download.
that's really dodgy. how does that even work???
that thing is bad!
and, hypocritically, the reason i never upload stuff above 94kbps :-P
I haven't got a fucking clue how it works, but it basically gives you the option of either downloading the shitty version off the page or the 'high quality' version, which are normally about 6mb each. I'll be honest, I've used it, normally to get hold of MP3s when I've bought a 7" single, although I have used it just to get tracks that I could easily have paid 79p for, so I'm guilty as sin, but I still think it's a good idea to put up samples.
in light of that, I can understand why a band would only want to put a preview up of a single or what not. Having said that, it best be a substantial preview. 30 seconds piss most people right off. At least 50% of the track but the more, the better.