literally just reply one or the other.
I'll go first.
My fav 2 kinks albums aren't represented on that comp and many of my fav beatles songs aren't on one.
I'd go for Kinks but it's close
it's The Beatles clearly
1. Love me do - - 1. You Really Got Me
2. From me to you - - 2. All Day And All Of The Night
3. She loves you - - 3. Tired Of Waiting For You
4. I want to hold your hand - - 4. Everybody's Gonna Be Happy
beatles, but both great
5. Can't buy me love - - 5. Set Me Free
kinks, but both not great
6. A hard day's night - - 6. See My Friend
7. I feel fine - - 7. Till The End Of The Day
8. Eight days a week - - 8. Dedicated Follower Of Fashion
9. Ticket to ride - - 9. Sunny Afternoon
kinks by a mile
10. Help! - - 10. Dead End Street
oh man this is a hard one. probably beatles
11. Yesterday - - 11. Waterloo Sunset
12. Day tripper - - 12. Autumn Almanac
13. We can work it out - - 13. Wonderboy
14. Paperback writer - - 14. Days
15. Yellow submarine - - 15. Plastic Man
16. Eleanor Rigby - - 16. Victoria
ARGH so hard. probably kinks
17. Penny Lane - - 17. Lola
18. All you need is love - - 18. Apeman
both pretty bad. beatles?
19. Hello, goodbye - - 19. You Do Something To Me
20. Lady Madonna - - 20. Where Have All The Good Times Gone
both pretty poor. beatles?
but it isn't clearly because right now its a 3-3 draw!
See My Friends is better than Hard Day's Night.
I Feel Fine is better.
As are Paperback Writer and Day Tripper.
one of the most massively radxstyle songs of all time, especially because it can be easily misconstrued as being about going on holiday to the Isle of Wight.
Beatles definitely beat the Kinks hands down on overall career - but the Kinks have some amazing songs that The Beatles must of been very jealous of.
Like what? Waterloo Sunset? It's an amazing song, but it was instantly outdone by A Day In The Life or With A Little Help From My Friends.
The Kinks flogged their ideas to death. Their first two singles were almost exactly the same song.
Thing is I dont want to denigrate how much I love the kinks songs....but the beatles had loads loads more killa trax that arn't even on the above 20 tracks,
the lovely love songs and ballads for instance 'all my loving' 'I love her' 'I should have known better' to stuff like 'day in the life' and 'helter skelter'.
I always thought that 'Hey Jude' was the epitome of an idea staying a long way past it's welcome.
Idiots prefer them.
The Beatles set the trend. The Kinks followed it.
Also LOL @ people who think the Beach Boys are better. Ask them to name their top 5 Beach Boys records and they know Pet Sounds and Wild Honey. Again, they're more fashionable.
The Kinks have lots of superb songs. However, they have just as many shit ones. Some of them, particularly the later stuff, are atrocious. The worst The Beatles go to is Maxwell's Silver Hammer which has a million more merits to it than one of those disgusting 80s Kinks songs.
You can bring up Mull Of Kintyre all you like, but we're talking Beatles, not solo.
in terms of back catalogues of the 3 bands, it's a no-brainer
* 1964 – Kinks (Released in the US as You Really Got Me) #3 UK, #29 US
* 1965 – Kinda Kinks #3 UK, #60 US
* 1965 – The Kink Kontroversy #9 UK, #95 US
* 1966 – Face to Face #12 UK, #136 US
* 1967 – Something Else by The Kinks #35 UK #153 US
* 1968 – The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society
* 1969 – Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire) # 105 US
* 1970 – Lola versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Part One #35 US
* 1971 – Muswell Hillbillies #100 US
* 1972 – Everybody's in Show-Biz 2CD * #70 US
* 1973 – The Great Lost Kinks Album # 145 US
* 1973 – Preservation: Act 1 #177 US
* 1974 – Preservation: Act 2 #114 US
* 1975 – Soap Opera #51 US
* 1976 – Schoolboys in Disgrace #45 US
* 1977 – Sleepwalker #21 US
* 1978 – Misfits #40 US
* 1979 – Low Budget #11 US
* 1981 – Give the People What They Want #15 US
* 1983 – State of Confusion #12 US
* 1984 – Word of Mouth #57 US
* 1986 – Think Visual
* 1989 – UK Jive
* 1993 – Phobia
Davies should have known.
The Beatles. Deep down everybody knows it to be the truth. Thankfully the majority seem to openly acknowledge it.
the rest are not even considerable. yep, as soon as they changed labels, it was over. I don't know why.
I'm not talking about the average quality of all their songs or anything, cos then i would have said the Beatles. I just get much more out of listening to the beach boys. The beatles don't put me in a dwam or have these really sinister undercurrents.
Pet Sounds is better than any Beatles record anyway.
next it'll be 'George was the best one anyway'.
you do realise that you are both claiming that 'Long Tall Sally' sounds like 'You still want me', which they don't.
sorry, carry on.
George might have heard See My Friends and liked it, but The Byrds were the people who introduced him to Ravi Shankar. They'd been listening to that stuff for ages.
I love The Kinks so much, but I could never admit that they had any sort of influence on The Beatles. Sorry :(
20/20 (I really like the cotton song)
surfs up (its got surfs up on it and all the cheesy moogs and dont go near the water (the waters going bad))
party (devoted to you and there's no other)
smiley smile (close to being smile, it has vegetables on it)
The Kinks are under-rated but tended to be more of a "singles band".
Village Green Preservation Society is the best album ever.
No one has moved music forward like The Beatles
as The Who were better then both.
Thats just a joke to try and piss people off.
The Who were good though...but really its The Rolling Stones that...
1966 - mod is all the rage: THE WHO ARE MODS!
1967 - psychedelica kicks in: THE WHO ARE HIPPIES!!!!!!
1969-now - heavy blues is back: THE WHO WISH THEY ARE LED ZEP!!!!!!!!!!!
i only like it when they wore suits
Kinks were mediocre
The Who = most overrated band in history
Pink Floyd = el sucko
makes your opinion obsolete
Late 64 actually, by which time the beatles had conquered Britain, Europe and America.
I love your argument though, it's like a parody.
heavy metal was one of the worst things to happen to music
2. The 'responsible for' argument is weak as shit. Muddy Waters did heavy blues in the 50s. The Rolling Stones did heavy r&b in 1964. The Kinks followed on and used scratchy guitars.
But I don't think they were the main influence on it anyway. Cream, Hendrix and mainly Led Zep. Even The Small Faces' late heavy rock is far similar than You Really Got Me.
The Kinks are hugely hugely over-rated in terms of impact. The guitar sound was pretty raspy, but so was about a million other bands' from 64-66.
The Beatles, but singles I'm a Kinks man everytime. But that's a personal choice, the songs mean more to me. The Who mean even more.
not a no brainer, but some of those Beatles records are sublime
The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society = The Magic.
haven't read the rest of the thread
but you have to stick to '68 or before.
The beatles are leagues better.
something else, arthur and the kinks are the village green... knock the shite out of anything the beatles ever did.
Though given the binary choice on offer I would have to go for the Kinks
But then I listened to The Beatles again and realised I was being stupid.
so the beatles it is
Beatles >> Stones>Beach Boys>Kinks>>The Who
I fucking love the Stones, Beach Boys and the Kinks but the Beatles were just different class. The Who don't really compare to any of them imo.
Mozart > Beatles > Jazzy Jeff > The Who
There is always one pretenious smart arse who wants to argue in the face of the facts and great musical output.
The Zombies relased 2 albums in their original lifespan, plus a few post 1990's. Odessey and Oracle is something of a lost period cult classic but their debut is the usual mid 60's album with a few good singles and filler. Even most of Odessey and Oracle wouldn't make it onto the classic Beatles and Kinks records.
To claim the Zombies are better than either the Kinks or the Beatles is pure rubbish when considering the output of the two.
Give us a break.
I don't think it's pure rubbish to contend that Odessey and Oracle stands up as a more *consistent* album than anything the Beatles managed. Tone/emotion/content all sit together far better than something lieke RUbber Soul which is spoiled by mysogynist Lennon drek like Run For Your Life, or Revolver with the execreble Yellow Submarine.
What pretenious rubbish.
I'm a fan of O&O but if it was more consistent than "anything the Beatles managed" then it would be far more than a cult classic (which it only is).
Lets have quick overview of how the worlds critics view O&O, bearing in the mind a few Beatles albums are always placed in the top 10:
Rolling Stone placed Odessey in 80th place on their list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time.
Stylus magazine selected it as #196 on their 200 Favorite Albums list.
The Guardian placed it at #77 on their "Alternative Top Albums Ever" list.
Mojo magazine named it the 97th greatest album ever made.
NME placed it at #32 on their list.
Q magazine placed it at #51 on their list of the greatest British albums ever.
Rate Your Music consistently ranks Odessey in the top 50 on its constantly changing "Top Albums of All-time" list.
In short, it's classed as good album but to say it's more consistent than ANYTHING the Beatles released is utter shite.
so massed critical consensus=fact?
not sure how it's "prentenious" to give a simple opinion. The songs simply flow better. The Beatles album which works best as a cohesive whole rather than a collection of tracks is Sgt Pepper, mainly cos it's mostly Macca. And even that has stinkers like Lovely Rita and When I'm 64 on it.
No-one said it did. If you read the post you will see I said lets get an "overview" of how the album is viewed. What it indicates is that non-one seems to rate it above "anything the Beatles managed..."
You are trying to hide behind statements such as "a cohesive whole..." when we all know, including yourself, that the Zombies' output was not better than "anything" the Beatles managed.
previously you said "There is always one pretenious smart arse who wants to argue in the face of the facts" What are the facts here - that a load of mainstream mags endlessly fellate the Beatles' collective cock?
To put it simply if I listen to O&O I don't skip a track. If I listen to any Beatles album, I always skip at least one.
It is a bit laughable...
I produce an overview of the thoughts of 7 sources and you dismiss it because it isn't "fact"... "mags endlessly fellate the Beatles' collective cock..."
But your counter argument is that if you listen to O&O you don't skip a track. But if you listen to any Beatles album, you always skip at least one.
Well why didn't you say that earlier??... it is obviously proven now that the Beatles entire output is not up there with the Zombies because you skip tracks on the Beatles records!
I didn't state that as 'fact' though did I?
Would you agree that the best albums are often greater than the sum of their parts? The individual songs together make a greater whole? Well I think the zombies managed that with odessey. Byrds did the same with notorious Byrd bros. My favourite beatles album is Past Masters. No doubt their songs are some of the very best. Just don't think they ever did a 100% album.
If genuinely believe the entire Beatles output is of a lesser standard that Odessey and Oracle you aren't worth debating with.
You are probably one of these people who would argue black is white and cause an argument in an empty house.
It is revealing you think Sgt Pepper is their best album (previously dismissing Revolver and Rubber Soul in an earlier post) when the majority of people tend to thin the opposite.
In fact only 1 of the 4 Beatles classes it as their best. I wonder which one...
My argument is that O&O works better as an album. The songs are more consistent and they flow better. There are no stinkers on the album. I didn't say Sgt Pepper was their best album, I said it's the one which works best *as* a whole album, and that's mainly because it's the only one they did which was creatively directed by one person.
do keep up !
You will argue black is white.
Using terms such as "flow" "consistent" "cohesive" are all fine and well but what about the quality of the songs?.
Are the songs actually stronger than Drive My Car, In My Life, Nowhere Man, Eleanor Rigby, Taxman.... etc?
They aren't even close if you are being honest.
I listen to way more of The Kinks but The Beatles are obviously better. OBVIOUSLY!
The Who are shit.
Interesting to see people claim The Kinks are the fashionable answer given the title of one of their most famous songs. I wonder what these people (if it's true) think of that song? Or maybe they're being wonderfully self-deprecating?
is better than anything the Beatles have ever done. Otherwise, yeh, the Beatles obviously rule all.
and I think ray davies was so good partly because the usa gatekeeper made him stay home. apples & oranges, really, but that middle period kinks stuff is just so fantastic, whereas a beatles song is just a beatles song & you can't add orsubtract anything from that, especially if you were there at the time.
Inasmuch as I respect what The Beatles did, but there aren't any of their songs I'd want to listen on repeat (Day In The Life aside, perhaps) but there are with The Kinks.
Okay, the Beatles overall are the better band in many ways. But at least the Kinks never did fucking Yellow Submarine, or When I'm 64, or that cunting Obla-Di-Obla-Da song, for fuck's sake. The Beatles absolutely ruined popular music when Sgt Pepper came out. The Beatles had more good records than the Kinks, sure. But they also had way more bad records.
Beatles: She Loves You, Aug. 23, 1963
Beatles: I Want To Hold Your Hand, Nov. 11, 1963
Kinks: Long Tall Sally, Feb. 7, 1964
Beatles: Can't Buy Me Love, March 20, 1964
Kinks: You Still Want Me, April 17, 1964
Beatles: A Hard Day's Night, July 19, 1964
Kinks: You Really Got Me, Aug. 4, 1964
Beatles: A Hard Day's Night, June 26, 1964
Kinks: The Kinks, Oct. 2, 1964
Beatles: Beatles For Sale, Dec. 4, 1964
Kinks: All Day And All Of The Night, Oct. 23, 1964
Beatles: I Feel Fine, Dec. 23, 1964
Kinks: Tired of Waiting, Jan. 15, 1965
Beatles: Beatles '65 (US), Dec. 15, 1964
Kinks: Kinda Kinks, March 5, 1965 (Kinks-Size, US release, March 1965)
Beatles: Beatles IV, June 14, 1965
Beatles: Eight Days A Week, Feb. 15, 1965
Kinks: Ev'rybody's Gonna Be Happy/Who'll Be The Next In Line, March 19, 1965
Beatles: Ticket To Ride, April 9, 1965
Kinks: Set Me Free, May 21, 1965
Beatles: Help!, July 19, 1965
Kinks: See My Friends, July 30, 1965
Beatles: Rubber Soul contains Norwegian Wood (first appearance of George on sitar), Dec. 3, 1965
Beatles: Yesterday, September 13, 1965 (anomaly!)
Kinks: A Well-Respected Man, Oct. 1965
Kinks: Till The End Of The Day, Nov. 19, 1965
Beatles: We Can Work It Out / Day Tripper, Dec. 3, 1965
Beatles: Help!, July 19, 1965
Kink Kontroversy, Nov. 26, 1965
Beatles: Rubber Soul, Dec. 3, 1965
Beatles: Nowhere Man, Feb. 21, 1966
Kinks: Dedicated Follower Of Fashion, Feb. 25, 1966
Beatles: Paperback Writer / Rain, May 30, 1966
Kinks: Sunny Afternoon, June 1966
Beatles: Yellow Submarine / Eleanor Rigby, Aug. 5, 1966
Kinks: Dead End Street / Big Black Smoke, Nov. 18, 1966
Beatles: Revolver, Aug. 8, 1966
Kinks: Face To Face, Nov. 28, 1966
Beatles: Strawberry Fields Forever / Penny Lane, Feb. 13, 1967
Kinks: Waterloo Sunset, May 5, 1967
Beatles: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, June 1, 1967
Kinks: Something Else By The Kinks, Sept. 15, 1967
Beatles: Magical Mystery Tour, Nov. 27, 1967
Beatles: All You Need Is Love / Baby You're A Rich Man, July 7, 1967
Kink: Autumn Almanac / Mister Pleasant, Oct. 13, 1967
Beatles: Hello Goodbye / I Am The Walrus, Nov. 27, 1967
Beatles: Lady Madonna / The Inner Light, March 15, 1968
Kinks: Wonderboy / Polly, April 5, 1968
Kinks: Days / She's Got Everything, June 28, 1968
Beatles: Hey Jude / Revolution, Aug. 26, 1968
Beatles: The Beatles, Nov. 22, 1968
Kinks: The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society, Nov. 22, 1968
Kinks: Plastic Man / King Kong, March 28, 1969
Beatles: Get Back / Don't Let Me Down, April 11, 1969
Beatles: The Ballad Of John And Yoko / Old Brown Shoe, May 30, 1969
Kinks: Drivin' / Mindless Child Of Motherhood, June 20, 1969
Beatles: Abbey Road, Sept. 26, 1969
Kinks: Arthur (Or The Decline And Fall Of The British Empire), Oct. 10, 1969
Kinks: Victoria / Mr. Churchill Says, Dec. 12, 1969
Beatles: Let It Be / You Don't Know My Name (Look Up The Number), March 6, 1970
Kinks: Lola / Berkeley Mews, June 12, 1970
Beatles: Hey Jude, Feb. 26, 1970
Kinks: Lola Versus Powerman And The Moneygoround, Part One, Nov. 27, 1970
But the Stones shit on both of 'em to be honest.
The Kinks were fashionable and innovative up to a point. Their sound didn't have the charisma of The Stones' Beatles' or Who's. Their albums were much weaker. Their songs were too simplistic to match Beatles' creativity, too easy-listening to reach the Stones' wild intriguing sound, too restrained to rival Who's epicness. They weren't in the Beatles league simply because no one else could beat them at their own game. Most of the Kinks best songs wouldn't pass Beatles' quality control, whereas Ray Davies would kill for most of McCartney's melodies.
Also, 'You really got me' is Kinks greatest achievement. They never managed to come up with something that original again. As for their best album, I would go with 'Arthur', not VGPS...
I take back the part about the charisma. They had plenty of charisma in their sound (Davies' voice, his lyrics, vaudevillian style, rough drum beats and guitar, underproduced studio sound). But everything else still holds: Not good enough to deserve the comparison with either The Beatles, The Stones or The Who.
I think I started this after my mate tried to assert that The Kinks were better than The Beatles in the pub and the whole place laughed at him so much that he started crying.