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What a fucking song.
a Pleasant Valley Sunday sort of guy myself.
The only manufactured boy band that it's ok to like.
They were brilliant up to the point where they started to believe they actually had talent of their own.
The Beatles and the Sex Pistols and all them?
neither of those bands were formed after an open audition of thousands of hopefuls, were they?
just a rather subtle (English?) way rather than a straight out, ordered, strategic (American?) way
Are you suggesting that Paul was under contract to meet Lennon at the fete he was playing at, and to recruit George too?
Fair enough, Ringo joined because Pete Best didn't fit in with the image but that's pretty much it.
They were given advice on their image by Epstein, but again - so what?
that manufactured meant altered to suit a market or demographic by a svengali figure of some sort. i'm not against the idea which is why i said it. i'd rather have a band who looked good and sang great songs that other people wrote like The Monkees than a band who're so intent on making 'proper' 'authentic' music and end up sounding like, oh i don't know, Bloc Party or whoever we hate at the moment.
(i realise you say this again later on in the thread.)
The Beatles weren't created by a mogul purely to tap into a market and sell records.
i just think that if Pete Waterman bought the rights to The Foals and put them all in suits there might be a suggestion that they've sold out or something.
Its like saying 'people would laugh at Foals if they held their guitars up to their chests, smiled and bowed'. You can't really compare the conventions of the 60s music business to today's.
I think its a good tune.
I don't mind the manufacturedness of any music personally. People who don't write their own music don't deserve the appreciation of those who do - if those who do write it can make it as appealing as the manufactureds.
Like Girls Aloud. Their tunes are mostly really good. I think they're more entertaining than some poxy indie band who make 'noise' (yes, I know, shut up grandad etc.) purely because they focus on CHOONS - and their CHOONS work.
the fuck out of this song. It has some great instrumental/monumental moments. Anyone seen the Head movie? That album was their statement and it's actually really interesting. They were massive stoners though, apparently (according to Dream Brother the book) they had a playpen on the set of their TV show installed with some sort of 4 light set up - one light which represented each of them. They'd sit in there smoking away and when their light went off, that was their time to go out and do their scenes. Inspirational.
Have you seen Head??
(cue someone replying saying that Head is one of those misunderstood works of celluloid genius)
It looks fucking crap to be honest, but I could give it a break, since its of its time.
we all want "head"
Seriously, there are two ways to look at that film. it's either
a) a bold statment in which they break free from the mould of the commercially driven market that they were created for.
b)an expensive home movie made by a bunch of drugged up lunatics.
that's kind of the point though - they don't break free, they can't break free - that everything is so fucked up that they're not even really able to comprehend their own part in its fucked-upness
re: b) welcome to Los Angeles,California 1968
With any luck Santa or one of his sexy elvettes might oblige. Is it a terrible film?
and it's definitely flawed but it says a LOT about the 60s in America and is actually a fairly subversive piece in places
and the tunes are great
and even though most of the gags are really awful the real prize of Head is that it shows how the youth are manipulated into believing the on-screen dream but actually having the money and fame without being able to express yourself is a hollow experience
Mickey Doelnz was an amzing singer and that song travels at a great speed. Wasn't it meant to be a Beatles rip off? Paperback writer? NO! No it wasn't. It was the Monkees.
Neil Diamond wrote the best song for the Monkees though...
A little bit me, a little you.
Or Mary Mary. Michael Nesmith. Fuck! What a dude.