Bands & Musicians: How old is not young?
Or how young is not old? However you care to pose it, the point is there comes a time when you stop being a young band. Are you then simply: a band, before you make the final step to becoming a mature or an old band? And does it matter?
Well, if you still have ambitions to 'make it' ("whatever that means?" -thanks young Mr Turner), then it does. Record companies tend to only really be interested in signing up-and-coming young bands. Sure, occasionally a 30-something unknown gets a deal, often it's a singer/songwriter-type; the first that come to mind are BabyBird and Seasick Steve - I'm sure there are more. But generally speaking they want young, attractive, edgey and rebellious types; sexy, moody, unattached, irresponsible, unpredictable. They want headline-makers not home-makers.
Being a budding rock-star myself, I know I was not pleased about turning 30. I didn't want a party or to party. I didn't feel like celebrating. I just wanted to stay in. It felt like the beginning of the end. Okay, there were a few other factors that contributed to this negativity but the major one was the feeling that I was running out of time to realise my dream.
I am now 41 so I have had plenty of time to get over it, but have I gotten over it? For budding rock-stars like myself, turning thirty has this added stigma. One's chances of 'making it' have narrowed again. So what is one to do? Well, you have to keep on rocking because of course it's in your heart, it's what drives you, it is you. If, like me, you sacrificed a normal career to pursue your dream job, you will not be giving up easily. But slowly and surely it begins to sink in. You begin to realise the dream of commercial success is over. The dream is then kept alive, and success is achieved by maintaining the passion. Keeping the real you alive. And that is where a lot of us are at. Am I wrong?
One thing that has struck me about putting the Rock-Til-You-Drop website together is the lack of bands that have come forward to be included. This is probably because it takes a while for them to come to terms with the fact that they are indeed mature. Some never do. According to Bev who works at our rehearsal studios she has grown men weeping in front of her about coming to terms with getting old! Once a budding rock-star who hasn't realised his dream turns 30, I think he spends most of the next ten years letting himself down as gently as possible from the dizzy heights of his rock 'n' roll dream. Or was that just me?
Famous or not, a lot of musicians and bands make some of their best music in their 30s. They play and perform with more confidence and they have learnt more about the recording process and how to craft a good song. I know I wrote some of my best songs in my early 30s. They don't need revamping or rewiting, they're not embarassing to sing or naively written; there's nothing immature about them. So if this theory is correct, there should be a lot of very good unknown bands in their 30s, even 40s, out there. If you feel you are one of them, please get in touch
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Franz Ferdinand are in their sixties
tldr
young bands are a bit shit
I just don't see why anyone would want to pidgeon-hole
themselves as an old band. That would seem to achieve the opposite of what your are trying to do - keep the dream alive! You seem to want people to admit they are past it, not good enough to run with the youngsters, and just hang out with another load of old folks. I just don't get it.
who me?
This is a good point.
I mean I'm 26 and the rest of my band are (I think) 24, 25, 28, 29, 31, 35 and 46 respectively. We seem to do alright for ourelves and so far to my knowledge no-one's mentioned the age issue.
WHAT'S BUTTON'S SKINCARE ROUTINE?
would NEVER have guessed at 46!
Fuck knows...
It's true he is incredibly baby-faced though - it's only the hair colour that gives the game away!
Errr...
I think you'll find he's suggesting that old bands aren't necessarily past it or not good enough.
yes he is
then contradicting it by setting up some kind of old peoples network, no kids allowed. I'm sure most people dont give a fuck about age, why highlight it about yourselves - particularly when 30 (which apprently is the cut off age) isn't that old!
dump the drummer!
The Libertines dumped their elderly drummer, didn't they? Figured he didn't fit in with the other three or something, I guess. All I know is that of all the gigs I've been to in the last year the ones with band members aged over 30 have had the best attendance.
yet again
the whole mention of 'making it' crops up. Surely, when you hear some good music, you don't go "This is some pretty great music, but just one thing before I commit....how old are these guys??". Admittedly, if you're into the whole hair/nme/image-awareness thing and you're aiming for MTV and stuff then yes, you may well have a bit of trouble if you're all wrinkly and grey. But then who wants to be a part of that world anyway??
Also,
and for some reason I can't stop thinking about this thread, the reason I am not living the rock n roll dream at 33, isn't because of my age, it's because I'm not good enough. Whilst I like the idea of convincing myself I am being persecuted because of my age, i am not. I'm just a bit shit.
no youre the best jimmyhuntspill
Like to hear you say that
after a Huntspill gig.
Reverso-jagamatic.
My band
Has people in it from 31 - 58.
Best band I've been in!
what band is that?
Accidental Jag.
http://www.myspace.com/thegreenstoneproject
You are never too jung or old
everybody can play
For example I can not sing but I am still sing it
If somebody is old and have the enthusiams to sing he could do it and be succussfull!
If, like me, you sacrificed a normal career to pursue your dream job,
This i'm afraid is complete bollocks - It’s not exactly difficult to maintain a decent job and play in a band, particularly an unsuccessful band.
I hope you haven't inflicted this position on kids or a wife
If, like me, you sacrificed a normal career to pursue your dream job
This i'm afraid is complete bollocks - It’s not exactly difficult to maintain a decent job and play in a band, particularly an unsuccessful band.
Well
My fave bands are all "old" in rockstar terms...
The Hold Steady (late 30s)
The National (late 30s)
Les Savy Fav (mid 30s)
Maybe it's just a Brooklyn thing?
Also
My 30th birthday was flipping brilliant. Got blind drunk with a load of great people, realised the pressure was off to try and be cool, went dancing hard, and did a load of innapropriate kissing. This original post is continuing to piss me off.
creative
JAG there. The one problem with being an older band is the fact music fans definitely congregate around the 16-19 age group, and then with more indie piddly music they go all the way up to 28. This is an issue mostly with the slight inappropriate nature of fandom-love, and exibiting yourself to a 16 year old. This is pretty much why most bands are young, bands represent the attractive young single to the...attractive young singles watching. Couples watching bands make you feel a bit WTF
Young fans congregate around young bands
Older ones dont really. And there have been plenty of young fns spotted at Sonic Youth, Pixies, Ryan Aadams, Built to Spill, shows I have been to.
It is just a nonsense.