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it gets damaged easily, it can pop and crackle, its big, heavy and clumsey. And he can't be doing with the needle, and having to be careful with it. He hates it.
I on the otherhand, happen to be a big record collector.
I also hate that it inspires "Oh, but it sounds warmer" comments from people playing their vinyl through £34.99 hi-fi systems.
clearly a fool. I also wouldn't ever lend him a cd as he obviously wouldn't be careful with it!
all of those things are problems with him and not the vinyl.
Keeping vinyl and needle clean isnt a particularly hard task. When your needle is dead, you get a new one. When your lens is dead...you have to buy a new system/deck.
'its big, heavy and clumsey' - what is he? a pigmey who only buys 200g Audiophile vinyl?
Meatloaf's "Bat ouf hell" on vinyl from ebay. For some reason I don't think Mp3s can do that album justice.
I too hate vinyl.
One day I'll stop buying seven inch singles that I can't play too.
'tis far more satisfying snapping a meatloaf record in half than merely deleting the mp3s
to his opinion
pop into my head when I read this thread title? hmmmm
but its probably because that's what I grew up with. The only vinyl records I buy nowadays are those where there's no CD or digital alternative. Having said all that, I DO miss the nice big gatefold sleeves.
something about not being able to "scrobble" Vinyl?
on his desk.
There are no advantages to people who don't DJ.
Before I submit this post, I'd like to make a statement to those people who think vinyl sounds better:
You're a twat.
DJ, the only advantages to using vinyl are for scratch DJs, who's whole skill is making use of the properties of vinyl. For other DJs, there's no advantages, just preference of feel, and the disadvantages of having no ability to loop (without resorting to using 2 decks and 2 copies of records) and no ability to instantly skip to stored points of a track (which is hugely useful for going back to a consistent start of a track, rather than having to wind the disc back and manually find the start)
or you could just buy cds. that sound the same. and are cheaper...
People who actually HAD to use vinyl (i.e mums and dads) know how much better and easier CDs are. People who get vinyl out of some weird nostalgia/preference/fetishism do it out of choice.
Most people i know who collect music on a serious scale buy vinyl. Especially those older people you mention. They tried CDs.
Also... CDs are compressed right? Vinyl has a much more expansive sound comparitively. Yeah you need a decent hi-fi to bring it out.
aren't compressed, and have *technically* superior sound quality over vinyl, in terms of transparency and lack of sound colouration.
the only reason I like vinyl is that it's often cheaper than the CD. And 2nd hand vinyl is generally in better condition than 2nd hand CDs.
Now they have a better selection of vinyl than cds too. I have a small tear in my eye walking past the nice gatefold £15 vinyl to buy the £8 cd version, but hell man I ain't got enough space for that stuff anyway bruz
cos its quirky
i prefer it. so there. i actually find it much much better to dj with too, though that may because because the cd players that pretend to be turntables really confuse me.
cos it's BIG
cos it's BLACK
BIG BLACK records on vinyl
But I feel like Steve ALbini's wrath will fall upon me should I buy Big Black stuff on CD.
Big Black on big black vinyl is the best!
I've only got "Songs About Fucking" though ... (on big black vinyl)
and I'd buy it if I had a turntable. But then, if I'm buying a turntable, I might as well buy a fairly decent one. And if I want a fairly decent one, I'll have to part with a serious amount of money. And if I was parting with a serious amount of money, I'd rather be spending it on actual music, rather than just another something to listen to music on when I already have a stereo. Sorry, like.
of 99.9% of people who listen to music today.
All this stuff about vinyl sounding better is bullshit. Unless you buy new, heavy records and listen to them on a decent hi-fi, there's no discernable difference in sound quality. To my ears anyway.
And turning a record like Abbey Road, or Dopesmoker over halfway through - why the fuck would you want to do that?
There probably won't be another significant leap in sound reproduction technology as important as the CD in our lifetimes. What frequencies CDs lose in the transferance from master tapes or digital wave files cannot be heard by human ears, and Vinyl only exists these days for zealots who believe 'warmth' (ie: piss poor sound reproduction and surface to surface acoustic interferance) is essential to their listening pleasure and DJs, who generally play on systems that require music to be FUCKING LOUD instead of having clarity, subtlety etc and find it easier to mix on a large format 12" in the dark.
Having said that, I own vinyl myself and am happy to have it. But I just felt the need to clear out some disinformation.
i like mp3s.
once did that with Bon Jovi. "You can really hear the twinkling at the start of 'Wanted Dead Or Alive'." He was right to be fair.
FROM THE NERDO TREE BY HIS FEET
but can see why people like it.
People seem to be very worked up about whether or not vinyl sounds better. It would seem obvious that this is down to the quality of your equipment and individual prefernces so... chill on both sides.
I like to collect vinyl when finances allow because I like to have the pleasing physical object (aesthetically CDs are awful).
Mainly though, I like to have records on vinyl that I REALLY LISTEN to. I will put a record on like putting a film on, listen to it all the way through and turn it over. When I listen to an mp3 I don't have that commitment to making listening to it 'an event'.
I think it's bascially a psychological reaction to the effort and commitment they've put into listening it. I'm pretty sure from my experience vinyl sounds no better than CDs and concur that obviously the standard of music system it's played on and the speaker's it's played through have far more influence on the sound than the format.
But I'm sure people feel it more of an "event" when they play vinyl, listen a bit harder and, as such, prefer the quality of it due to their psychological state when listening to it.
Personally I don't own a record player or any decent music system at all. And I can utterly understand why people hate vinyl, both in terms of the practical convenience issues mentioned above and, it has to be said, the snobbery of vinyl obsessives as is apparent throughout this thread (particularly the attitude that one "should" prefer vinyl and a preference for CDs is an incorrect decision, rather than just an opinion)
I make do with a laptop, cheapish speakers and cheap headphones. The music I listen to still sounds great to me 'cos, no matter what format you use, the great music will sound great and the shit music will sound shit.
there actually isn't all that much vinyl snobbery in this thread.
There's a bit though.
But I believe in this day in age, if youre too young to truly have bought it whilst it was the main format, you should only buy what you really love. It nauseates me when you see a young person with a huge vinyl collection for some reason. Equally annoying is the person who has 100s of 7" singles by shit landfill-indie bands that cost 99p from HMV.
Its a niche medium and should be treated as such - vinyl only releases, special editions etc are the way to go. If youre gonna buy the new Razorlight album it might as well be on CD.
Who gives a fuck?