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what's the album?
not to touch anything past 'calculating infinity', so maybe there?
Calculating Infinity is their first and is a raw straight up mathcore album (well, if you can describe mathcore as 'straight up'). Maybe it would be the best place to start.
Personally I prefer their 3rd album Ire Works, which has a lot more experimental moments mixed in with a couple of more accessible singles. Despite these singles, as an album it's probably harder to get into.
Some people will argue that you should get Miss Machine, the 2nd album. I don't think you can really go wrong but maybe just start at the beginning.
Personally I think their best work is this e.p. with Mike Patton. But yeah, it is all good, but in a different way.
Watch out for the elitists who claim they 'went shit' or 'sold out' after CI - they changed direction but it is all good.
I'd probably say Miss Machine is a good place to start, then depending on if you want to further explore the experimental/melodic side go to Ire Works, or if you're more taken with the heavier, more full-on mathy stuff head for Calculating Infinity. I do recommend that you sample all their stuff eventually to fully get your head round what they do.
I will say, though, that for me Irony Is A Dead Scene is the best thing they've done so far.
I'm always slow in getting band e.p's
It's by far the best DEP release, closely followed by Calculating Infinity.
get calculating infinity, if you're not sure then get miss machine THEN calculating infinity. and dont forget under the running board for some mike patton action and a great cover of come to daddy. do forget most of ire works.
irony is a dead scene. not under the running board. thats a tuuuune though
that miss machine is their most solid and complete work. i'd definitely recommend getting hold of this first, then go back and check out the more 'raw' stuff (calculating infinity) and then check out the more experimental stuff with ire works
standby for loads of people saying the old stuff was better.
Personally, I prefer Ire Works to Calculating Infinity (which I'll admit, I haven't listened to that much.) The Irony Is A Dead Scene EP is shit hot though.
And if you like it, go back to Calculating and then get everything else. Get Ire Works last, because it's not really that good apart from the not-as-heavy songs like Black Bubblegum and Milk Lizard.
i'd start with calculating infinity.
that's only because i started off with this, but that's before they release IIADS (which is just incredible!)
i would say though that it took me a while to get it; trust me, it's brutal and hard work, but ridiculously tech. If you want to listen to an album that pretty much redefined a genre, if not created one, then look no further.
i'd prob miss out miss machine, but listen to ire works.
i know that there's a lot of debate, and personally i'm with the CI camp, but having revisited Ire Works, it's not as bad as i remember (although i still don't like the pop like songs)
also, while on the subject of tech, has anyone listened to any psyopus?
apart from the intro to Death, I... maybe.
For good tech you want PsyCROPTIC. These guys deserve their own thread, Scepter of the Ancients is the catchiest technical death metal I've heard.
will check them out
don't get me wrong, psyopus is just a vehicle for the insanely talented chris arp
and he is utterly insane
miss machine to ire works to calculating infinity.havent heard anything more.
my favourite is probably ire works