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once they got rid of fags. Fuckin' do gooders and health facists
Van Morrison is insisting on no drinking allowed at his gigs at the O2 because its distracting/leads to talking/ruins people's experience.
selfish old bastard
Diamanda Galas made the bars at ATP close when she was performing, for the same reason. Why? Is she worried she'd have the urge to run off stage and swipe a drink?
that her music is not enough to keep people entertained
i recall just being very stoned at that point and passing out
think mars volta did the same too for their 3 hour monolith...
lets just never leave the house again.im already sketchy about smoking at gigs.can you nip out at the astoria for a quick one?more importantly can you pop out at the forum ie ATP halloween party which is practicaly a mini festival?
that you can't even pop out for a smoke.
has been awful re: cigs. most venues you can't leave as there's no re admittance. So you have to stock up on nicotine before hand. The 02 the other night, the whole complex (it's huge) was no smoking. Nanny state.
i enjoy gigs a lot more now that i dont have to wash my fucking jacket when i get home, and dont have to take a shower before i go to bed to avoid my pillow smelling of fucking cigarettes
quit if it bothers you that much
perhaps a cig would calm you down. Despite being a smoker i'm not overly concerned by the smoking ban. I do understand why people don't like it. It would just be nice to have somewhere we could go and smoke though or just let us outside.
now i despise it.
don't take away my booze, there'll be trouble
like they said earlier, you could probably happily watch, say, Leonard Cohen with no booze but not Andrew WK
It starts with Leonard Cohen and ends up with the Pogues
if people want to drink it should be their choice.
I'm just trying to get my head around the idea from the point of view of those who support it
how can you not see Me First and the Gimme Gimmes without being twatted? Some band will lose their raison d'etre.
Re smoking at gigs, most big venues (forum, shepherds bush, brixton academy) will only let you out and readmit once the headline band has started.
not trying to get all high & mighty here but the "can't enjoy gigs without being wasted" line in this thread is kind of sad/disturbing
anyway, ive never had any not-easily-shrugoffable problem with alcohol at any gig ever. generally speaking, people who are cunts are going to be cunts anyway whether they're drunk or not
and i almost never get drunk at gigs, but i would really miss sipping on a pint throughout each set. so i dont see how thats fair
spookyelectric. And not smelling of fags everytime I go out now is quite a bonus. But I find myself drinking little to never at gigs really. The bar normally closes when the headline acts starts anyway doesn't it?
but i dont see what this would really achieve
Is a person just like you
But has better things to do
Than sit around and fuck his head
Hang out with the living dead
Snort white shit up his nose
Pass out at the shows
Doesn't even think about speed
That's something he just don't need
Not only do I not mind, I prefer it. It's a larf for me.
Also, I become a lot better looking to drunk girls.
All this is going to do is ban people having a sociable beer during a gig and have no real effect on the people who're turning up to get twatted.
even be debated.
drinks at gigs.
that doesn't allow alcohol for a gig i'm putting on soonish but i reckon this will mean no one will come, right?
Hidden Cameras at Union Chapel a couple of years ago - no alcohol allowed in the chapel (i.e. where the show was).
It was a shit gig.
most of the live music industry would go under. you don't think venues survive just on ticket revenue, right?
It's also true that giving up smoking was a hell of a lot easier after they banned smoking in venues. And looking at how much drink related accidents, incidents and illnesses cost the taxpayer every year...
fear and violence.
RIP the London Beatdown scene & all of South London's long standing hardcore warriors.
People who get tanked up on cheap Stella* before they go out to the pub.
*other strong pissy lagers are available.
a friend of mine who runs a pub says they make next to no money from drinks, it all comes from food. maybe he is a shit landlord.
a plate of chips costs a quid something, but only a few pence to make/buy. But pubs don't charge £4.40 for a pint, which is where the venues rake it in i'd imagine
true i suppose
at venues tend to be at hyper inflated prices though - maybe that's where johnny venue owner rakes in a bit more coin compared to the 'umble landlord.
because it's expensive and I like to drink to get drunk, which I don't achieve at gigs because I'm not there long enough. But as gunners says, this will never happen.
to see why this would be a good idea.
Ok, yeah, it'd remove all the drunken twats that go to some gigs. That's a good thing.
But it sorta infringes on my right to have a drink if I want to. I don't go to gigs to get twatted, I go to gigs to enjoy some music and enjoy myself. If I want to have a beer whilst doing that, that's my choice, surely? They have bouncers and security folk for drunken twats.
I don't think it's a similar issue to smoking at gigs. Me drinking a beer isn't affecting anyone else in the slightest.
Didn't hear the discussion, so what were the reasons for it?
because they can just get pissed beforehand, much like the "ban" on alcohol on the tube.
watch gigs at the colston hall in bristol because of their booze ban in the main auditorium.
that's bullshit. i'm going to see sigur ros there. dammit.
to watch sigur ros seeing how shit they are.
þú minn vinur ert a gera ráðþrota
but i DO know how to pronounce it. now i just need to start learning some words.
the internet is great!
all i can say is "there is a book on the table" which unsuprisingly i failed to find a use for in reykjavik.
It'd be bliss if i didn't have to smell like vomit and have twats bogling in my face as well. I'm all for it.
even before the smoking ban...
toilets will be busier then kings x on a friday night innit!
beofre i even get in there haha. Then spew everywhere.
It's a pointless discussion.
and i would be really fucking unimpressed should they ban booze. Which they won't!
I don't go get wasted and fall about and throw things but i like a few beers at my gigs.
What's next no booze at festivals?
at coachella festival in the states, you go through hoops to have a drink. when you go into the festival, they confiscate anything that could remotely be alcohol. then you have to queue up to get a wristband by showing ID to prove that you're old enough. once you've done that, then you can go to a beer area and drink.
thing is, the beer areas are away from the stages... and you can't take the beer out with you to go watch a band. so you go there, drink, then go watch the bands again. unless you're a vip of course, and then you can stay in your nice enclosure drinking and watching the main stage at the same time.
I wasn't old enough to drink when I went so didn't care but still bloody stupid.
daft aint it. they had police going round the crowd examining people's ciggies too.
fascist shit here at festivals.
was they confiscated a bic biro from me when i went in. i asked "why confiscate that?" the security guy said "NUMBER ONE DEFENSIVE WEAPON IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE PEN."
coachella is in the middle of the desert. do you really think they want people drinking heavily given the health risks of dehydration??
this would never happen. as guntrip pointed out, most venues actually rely on there being revenue from sales of alcohol. the fact they are even debating it on five live shows what a clueless bunch of cunts they are.
however, lets say it did happen. from my perspective as a promoter, i would expect the cost of venues to rocket. for example, a venue that might cost me £350 that holds 250 people would probably now charge close to £1000. this would most likely price me out of the market for all "risky" gigs, meaning only putting on sure fire winners... and those winners would have their price raised considerably.
so yeah, if you wanna pay £20 to go and see 3 bands play at the metro on a tuesday night, then lets ban booze at gigs!
All that this would do is mean people who want to have a drink would get wasted beforehand. Even factoring in the odd person not being allowed in, I think that a ban would increase the number of drunk people at a gig.
Will they start banning drinks in nightclubs? What if you're going to see underworld whats the differnce?
are you even discussing this?
and fling beer everywhere which pees me off cos I invariably get beer on my person - nice. Not. I am all for a drink at a gig watching my fave band but there are too many people who get so out of it and end up ruining it for other people that I am b eginning to think it's a good idea banning booze at gigs.
at gigs is silly. doesn't enhance the experience, just makes it all go by in a bit of a blur.
but yes, don't penalise the social drinker. think of all those awkward 1st/2nd date couples!
but an alcohal free gig would have an audience of under 18's (the ones who don't have fake id or actually adhere to the law. probably bad for the rest of us but you know, let the kiddies get an education in live music.
but it will never happen. trust the van man to be distracted by the few people at the bar distract him from the hundreds of people not at the bar.
and it is hard to clap with one of those silly bendy plastic pint pots...
where I live.
We dont get proper bands.
Radio 5 live debate, 19-09-2009?
meaning, obviously, there will be no drinking. would this affect your decision in regards to attending?
and after that let's ban loud music at gigs