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tis a good way in because there's a comfortingly familiar (non noise) acoustic guitar figure to start with. The 'noise element' kind of creeps up on you and before you know it - bang! you are listening to, and enjoying Merzbow!
Give it a go.
It's about an hour long and it's just one track so you need to dedicate some time to it, it doesn't work in chunks.
Hope you enjoy it!
I would really like to know if it manages to 'turn' you...
Depending what mood you're in he can be as gnarly as fuck or totally blissful.
I've no idea what you mean by 'is this just an indie thing again?'
I just like it.
but if you actually like him that's cool. I consider myself really open minded about music but I'm still struggling with how someone can listen to noise
or is it just an indie/music thing again?
but I did like the Merzbow & Keiji Haino(Kikuri) collaboration at supersonic. I'm a big fan of interesting dynamics in music and it was something seeing the set alternate between harsh noise to (almost) blissed out soundscapes with Keiji's ethreal wails over the top.
but that's also true of lots of other artists. 'Sun Baked Snow Cave' and 'Rock Dream' are both superb 10/10 material but I never really got into 'sponge octopus' / 'sponge carp' etc.
The Electric Dress album is well worth getting hold of, even if you're not normally a fan of the genre.
And I think, following on from the Converge thing on Social, that you worry far too much about indie points Mehedor. When I listen to Merzbow (unsuprisingly) I have to do so on my own, no-one is there to witness and dole out any indie points, I listen to it cos I like it (I can't imagine anyone subjecting themselves to Merzbow if they weren't getting anything out of it. That would be like going to an S+M dungeon if you only liked cuddles...)
Just listen to what you love, and love what you listen to, stop worrying about point scoring (in yourself or in others)
I find it sort of hilarious actually. But MrScagdenSir, you say you wouldn't want to subject anyone to Merzbow. What do you mean? Do you subject yourself to Merzbow? Is there a whole other realm of pain I'm not understanding here?
my family and friends are the sort of people who find Coldplay dangerously avant-garde and hard on the ears*. This is one of the reasons I waste so much of my life on here, I have no-one I can talk to about Converge, Dillinger, Mastodon etc, nevermind play Merzbow to.
*Except my daughter. She's a little Metal Chick at heart.
i dont think its just an indie thing.
and enjoyed the show
but then I don't like noise. Crazy huh?
I just find it hard to believe that people actually like listening to noise
Mehodor | 8 Sep '08, 13:56 | Send note | Report this | Reply
I'm going to check out that album MrScagdenSir recommended.
I'm sometimes amazed that people can withstand a whole night's worth of garage/r'n'b/whatever, but I don't feel the need to question people about it. Different strokes for different folks, y'know?
the keyword being 'noise'.
the keyword being 'genre'.
I don't don't find it hard to believe that anyone likes any particular genre of MUSIC, what I find hard to believe is people liking NOISE. NOISE.
it's NOISE. Ah well!
I wouldn't dismiss a whole genre based on one artist you've heard. The noise scene is wonderfully diverse, I'm sure a few other DiSers will back me up on this.
Judging all 'noise' stuff on Merzbow is like judging all guitar music on Radiohead.
Check out Burning Star Core's 'Operator Dead, post abandoned' for example. It has a lot of repetitions and is actually quite soothing in a way that is massively contrasting with Merzbow's venerology.
Have you ever seen him live? One of the best things I've EVER seen.
Stick to making threads about sandwiches ;)
there be a thread or two asking what the appeal is about a certain band.
You're probably thinking of Jandek - that's the one the mugs like.
He makes me feel better about my woeful forrays into song-writing....
Yeah, that was my reaction initially.
"How can anybody tolerate, let alone listen to this."
But i was massively intrigued by the guy and his output. Intrigued enough that i stuck with it.
Over time i came to really appreciate what he's doing.
Initial listens give you mindless white noise. Further listens give you not much more, but you start to pick up on little changes in the layers/textures/dynamic between albums.
Eventually you'll come to pick up on the differences between and during individual tracks on each album, and that is where it gets really interesting and mega rewarding. There are some mindblowing moments on Pulse Demon, where a song seems to shift ever so slightly away from the usual all out total abrasion into something softer and smoother, but the change in dynamic feels as though you've been launched into the air. (Worms Plastic Earthbound, a couple of minutes in. That HUM sound. Awesome! Listen here http://www.last.fm/music/Merzbow/_/Worms+Plastic+Earthbound?autostart )
Bear in mind that it took me a fooking age to get into, requiring a lot of concentration and effort, but i reckon the rewards are well worth it.
Just talking about it has got me excited now. I'm going to listen to Tauromachine and shut my eyes.
you could have learned Spanish
I also could've learnt to be a pilot, i could've trained to be a chef, i could've tended to the garden, i could've done a million other things.
I didn't however, because i was listening to some music.
This could be the beginnings of a great game, entitled:
"What could you have done instead of listening to music?"
Anybody fancy a game?
ehwhat is first up.
who says you have to have verse, chorus, verse, chorus etc all the time?
for me, noise, avant-garde and experimental stuff in general does something that music simply does not. i genuinely find it so interesting.
and that's not an indie thing. whatever a fucking indie thing is!
read paul hegarty's 'noise/music a history'. totally fascinating.
someone would think that certain people would namedrop someone like merzbow as their token avante garde interest, while the cd they got sits on the shelf and gathers dust (sort of in the way that kooks fans buy radiohead albums [massive generalisation-centric]). Perhaps he's slightly overrated by The Wire crowd but I really enjoyed the Merzbear album. what isn't great about noise was the ATR live at brixton album...
it's a really clumsy label, that makes it hard to appreciate.
most of what gets lumped into noise is about textures of sound, and subverting the norms of "songs"
it's a bit like abstract painting, like a rothko or a kandinsky. or pollock.
some of it like merzbow is really really abrasive and harsh, but that can be exciting like listening to good metal. but better. and less repetitive and silly.
or it can be really ethereal and transcendental, like all the drone bands and the likes of tsurubami or whatever. that's the kind of territory that's easier to get into, and can become fairly mainstream - like loveless or isn't anything, which aren't noise albums, but kind of head that way.
try working backwards through animal collective too. feels is ace-o pop >>>>>>>>>> spirt they've gon is ace-o (nearly) noise.
plus Tsurubami rule.
There's nothing wrong with repetition and silly metal though!
i found some pretty good stuff on it i like drone bands best
but I know a couple of the bands on it. Which stuff is pretty good?
there was another one called touching pastures something or other that i thought was the same lable but i cant see it idk ill have to check the name another day huh
So is searching "merzbow" on DiS to find silly arguments about noise tho I guess. :S
Hey ho, I named myself after a Merzbow/Boris record, you can probably guess how I feel...
I like Merzbow.
The last track on '1930' is 20 minutes of awesome.
I think you'd have to be pretty stupid to try and score indie points by namedropping Merzbow. I mean, there are a hundred bands that are more 'droppable' that will score you loads more 'indie-cred' than Merzbow.
Take Foals, for example.