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but at the moment the front page preview bit simply reads 'Fucking hell.'
(Although why is an album by someone who had a YouTube hit a year ago given priority on the front page over Beans and Laura Marling?)
Everyone slows down for a car crash.
they haven't had a go at contextualising the track about Tommy Cooper, in the same vein as when they referred to BSP's No Lucifer's reference to "an obscure wrestler" (yeah, only probably the most famous ever in the country BSP are from)
is British, I believe. So that doesn't really fly I'm afraid. They deserve that score anyway, they're fucking insufferable.
he's from Los Angeles
I always get him mixed with Nick Southall for some reason. Probably because they both wrote for Stylus.
A genuinely horrible act - Scroobius Pip has got to be one of the most unbearably smug and dire lyricists I've ever heard. Describing them as "philosophically fucked" is pretty spot on really.
"It's a bizarre target audience this thing courts-- people elitist enough to sneer upon corporate brainwashing, yet simple-minded enough to surrender themselves to the ethos of Scroobius Pip."
But I can see how it's abit of marmite act really, ah well, pitchfork is pretty up it's own arse too though.
I... I guess I like shit on toast? A lot?
although I thought I'd check.
only instead of a bunch of failed rock stars giving a safe record company pleasing 7 to 90% of the albums they review. they get a frustrated failed novelist to spunk 1,500 words of impotent vitriol accompanied by a comedy sub-1 score.
*cringe* poor album
oh no, wait... that doesn't work.
I take back what I said about Pitchfork.
That is a great review. These guys are like the Reverend & The Makers of hip hop. The kind of guys who, when they catch your eye at a party, you know you've let yourself in for a state-of-the-nation sermon.
i.e. smug bores.
The score may be harsh, because what they do is not ALL bad, but the review wasn't just empty vitriol - it qualified its rage .
...as though they are meant to be taken seriously.
And conveniently ignores some excellent and serious lyrics meant to be taken seriously.
Clearly an axe to grind or just simply missed the point.
I always had the impression sac vs pip was born from the spoken word tradition more than the UK hip hop scene.
For example, I read a great interview with him last year in which he talked about people who inspired him with what he writes, which included Emily from MBICR.
I really like them. It seems like the reviewer has a completely different reading of what they're all about, though...
pretty much 'got it'
the reviewer didn't 'get it', did I?
Music and "getting it" - What a load of bullshit.
Despite the fact that people's tastes develop, there is no magic button people can push to suddenly 'get' something.
I personally love DLS vs SP.
Live they are hugely entertaining, endearing, genuinely moving in places for their serious songs (conveniently ignored in that pitchfork review I believe) and their love for what they are doing is infectiously evident.
I saw them live on the basis of "Thou Shalt..." which, to be honest I never read into as much as anyone in the negative reviews does (both here and on pitchfork). I agreed with a couple of the sentiments in the song and liked the music underneath it. Seeing them live the rest of their stuff impressed me greatly, perhaps as much for how it was delivered and the effect of the show as a whole, but even if I think I heard the album first I can not imagine anyone being so excessively negative.
Too many folk seem to have them down as a novelty without any concept of what they are missing and they certainly do not deserve such harsh attacks by utter cunts seeking to make a name for themselves by clumsily trashing a band that is already a sure bet to polarise people.
Same website that features a reviewer who saw fit to grant Vampire Weekend an 8.8.
If sugaRAPE had a music section..........
agree with you on the ludicrousness of awarding VW 8.8, they were hardly the only publication or website that did so.
Vampire Weekend have more or less uniformally gotten really good reviews everywhere,
Dan le sac and pip are very much music for people who like to think they like their lives.
One of the most idiotic statements I have ever read... sorry but it is...
"music for people who like to think they like their lives."
Assuming you meant that as a negative, what in the fuck is wrong with liking (either through thought/will, correctly or otherwise) your life?!
(Stylus gone but not forgetten!)
I love Pitchfork!
is exactly right. Couldn't have said it better myself
people are way to obsessed with this idea that pitchfork just writes ridiculous, self obsessed pieces with very little to do with the album at hand. perhaps a couple of years ago, but they're pretty consistently incisive, and the majority of the reviews have writing far above most websites or publications. i wouldn't take it as the final word on any band, since they've been at odds with me on a few bands that I really like, but their reviews almost always make better reading then, say, DiS'.
with this review in particular, nearly every criticism seems blindingly accurate.
They gave Jeffrey Lewis 'It's the Ones Who've Cracked That the Light Shines Through' something like a 3 too.
at reading and loved them fuck pitchfork with their decimal point reviews
He seems to think they are a hip hop act. I hadn't ever thought of them as one at all. And that reviewer clearly thinks too much about stupid records. The album is a little disapointing after great promise, but is still just a big dumb idiot barrelling around a party being best mates with everyone, and strangeley succeeding.
The accusation that he's being hypocritical deifying Hendrix and Cash whilst knocking hip-hop's obsession with guns and bitches doesn't enitrely hold water and the suggestion that by criticising commercial hip-hop he's criticisng black acts is an utterly silly and pointless.
I've not heard the album (and have no inclination to do so) so have no idea if the final score is accurate but it's a very flawed review.
I think he has points with the production and complete lifting of backing tracks (mind you Ghostface did this as well) but the points about the lyrical content are fairly wide of the mark.
"Thou Shalt Always Kill" is the sort of song that makes me borrow something first said about "My Humps", namely that it transcends merely being horrible music and places itself into the realm of pure evil. A wanna-be novelty hit if there ever was one, it consists of Scroobius Pip (yeah, that's the rapper's name) rattling off a litany of "ooh...countercultural!" broadsides (examples: "thou shalt not buy Coca Cola products," "Bloc Party [they're] just a band") that assume absolutely no intelligence from the listener. It's a bizarre target audience this thing courts-- people elitist enough to sneer upon corporate brainwashing, yet simple-minded enough to surrender themselves to the ethos of Scroobius Pip."
I believe I said this verbatim the first time I saw these guys 100 years ago in (yes) Shoreditch.
Therefore the rest of the review must be correct since this is easily their most memorable song.
with the bearded one at Reading
great story yeah? shall i tell you another one?
Reading festivals has lifts? Where to?
Total Sell Outs >
Great read - totally on point. Not heard the album and don't plan to, but saw them live at a free festival and was appalled. They're absolutely terrible and their schtick is so very, VERY, tired.
The intro to their set was some shittalking about the state of UK hip hop, which instantly irked me, then they launched into some terrible Sage Francis homage. Can't believe they're signed to Strange Famous!!
...but he has heard their songs. Surely that's enough? Especially seeing as their 'music' is just a tape.
Only if the gig he'd attended was exclusively featuring non-album material.
hearing half an hour of a band live does not make you well informed enough to really know whether an album review is good or not. What it does mean though, is you can read a pitchfork review think 'yeah that seems an alright view to tell everyone is mine' then go about doing so.
Ok ok, fair enough - but I was referring to their dissection of Dan le Sac VS Scroobius Pip, which I found to be totally on point.
At least we can all agree that they're shit though.
nothing could have been worse or more incompetently written than the DiS review of the album. I was wrong.
The DiS review is even better!!
I haven't read it, but i'm assuming that i will think that.
...shall always kill is the worst thing i've ever heard. one reviewer compared it to lcd soundsystem, but it's much closer to that shit one by the director of romeo and juliet that was forever at number 1.
It is exactly that song.
That was No. 1 for only one week
I haven't heard the album so i'm not going to say whether I agree or disagree on the whole, but what I have heard is awful, embarrassing music.
I quite like 'Look for the Woman' as well. And the title track. That's more than 0.2's worth of marks right there.
""I'm not an alcoholic/ I just drink a lot/ I'm a genius/ Or maybe I just think a lot"-- this is how the second verse of "Development" begins before Dan Le Sac mercifully cuts Pip off, castigating him to get on some new shit before he can embarrass himself any further with this train of thought"
The actual song tells Pip that those lyrics are 'garbage.' I'm pretty sure they were written with tounge firmly in cheek.
I think not.
Spot on about Thou Shalt Always Kill.
He's basically echoing the sentiment of every counterculture in the history of the world, but where they'd praise musicians they were influenced by, he says 'JUST A BAND' and raps.
He was referring to Boy In Da Corner, the album.
is smug bollocks.
I'd agree with that. I was starting to think I was the only person on Earth who really liked the album.