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and anyone who disagrees can do one.
Extra points for having a posthumous album that didn't suck.
a posthoumous album to start with though
there was hardly alot he could do about it .
between 1994 and 2000.
or anyone else : Which of his albums should I get first?
I shall catch up for lost time now
Start with Either/Or, and I shall tell you for why. XO is my favourite album of his, i.e. his best, but it's very much indicative of his later sound. It's big and epic with pianos and violins and all that jazz.
Either/Or is the last, and most accessible, of his acoustic albums, and I think to listen to that *before* you listen to XO or Figure 8 or Basement serves as a really good way to see how his career and his songwriting progressed.
Also, Either/Or is more of an obvious album. It's very much in the traditional singer-songwriter mould, so it's easier to know where you stand with it, so you can just concentrate on his songwriting instead of getting dragged into his experimentation with sonics and harmony and stuff.
unless you've never heard anything by The Beatles. It is sublime though. Either/Or is good also. As is Figure 8. aw man, Elliott <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
I just couldn't think of a better word. It's unexpected.
so I will do exactly that :)
I will try and pick up Either/Or somewhere.
I really enjoyed the stuff on his myspace but I really fear that getting into his music will just make me sad that he is no longer with us.
But yeah, I'll get me that album.
The sole constant in my musical taste. If you were to look at what I was listening to 2 years ago, it was all completely different to what I'm listening to now, apart from Elliott Smith.
but you can get XO and Figure 8 at play.com for 3 quid each!
you can get Either/Or for five quid actually.
buy them all!
am so with you on that !
ans self pity can be a symptom of depression though (sometimes)
tune that goes "it's all about taking the easy way out for you, i suppose"...that's been in my head all week. Cracking little number!
easy way out!
is clearly lacking a soul and is probably not worth knowing.
No songwriter in the last 20yrs could come anywhere near what that guy could do.
I have numerous musical heroes but Elliott is the only one where I could say hand on heart that having heard all officially released stuff and as many bootlegs of unreleased stuff, demos etc I've never heard a single song that I didn't like.
Quite simple, Elliott Smith was a genius. And that's not a word I like to use much. But genius sums him up perfectly.
why they think he was a genius?
his genius is in his later albums that perfectly mixed happy, tuneful music with sad lyrics, a la the genius of brian wilson. sometimes his earlier albums are just too sad and i think they then lack "power". that's my opinion anyway.
has so brilliantly combined melancholy, heartfelt lyrics and spine tingling melody with such brilliant results.
True - he had his weaker moments (see parts of Figure 8) but his most best moments are surpassed by no-one.
Though many people bandy the word "genius" around far too much these days, I would happily see it applied to Elliot Smith.
would asrcibe musical genius then?
For someone half as smart,
you'd be a work of art
me, he was very much alive when i saw him play. now nick drake, he IS overrated.
I would agree with this. Someone else mentioned whiney too.
out from my local library about a year ago knowing nothing about him. I didn't know he was dead. I'd heard his name mentioned once or twice in the past and couldn't remember why, but I'm a fool for a) singer songwriters and b) those lovely fold up cd cases made from unusual material, so I forked out 85p for it (deal of a lifetime) and spent the next week marvelling at this catchy, lyrically fascinating and musically enchanting collection of songs. I fell in love with the album almost immediately, before finding out his 'story' on wikipedia a week or so later.
The point I'm making is, and I'm sure many people will agree, that each of Elliott's albums is not only exemplary of each aspect of songwriting, but accessible and easily likeable. If he was still alive I have no doubt that his music would still be adored every bit as much as it is today.
which is at best average
Forgot about that. Still has its moments, although I may never like Everything Reminds Me of Her.
figure 8 makes me :D
to Bamnan by the way
after a series of similar sounding 'moments' to what you describe, but since leaving the course the basic understanding of the fundamental issues (and ability to discuss them using the right words) has given me an almost entirely new outlook on life. I feel that the two of my friends who did (and still do) Philosophy have had a similar experience and I'm now completely at ease with them, having worked through day to day issues with broader and less egoistic minds.
Cannabis acts as something of a catalyst for looking closer at (bigger) decisions philosophically for us.
"You don't have to go to college!"
yeah. I get asked that a lot...I often wish I had a simple name like Ian. My name brings up more questions than it answers.
condense New moon down into one disc and have an album as good as his proper ones, amazingly prolific writer. Considering his brush with Celine Dion at the Oscars do you think he could have written for her and made her sound good?
His genius is in his delivery, when he sings "I'm tired..." on waltz#2 you can actually believe him... (as opposed to say feeling jared leto's PAAAINNN etc)
I drunkenly shouted abuse at 30 seconds to mars when they did a secret show at the barfly, he dedicated a song to the "dickheads and wankers" and I apologiesed profusely to him afterwards as his minders swept him out of the venue, good times...!
Elliott related question: is Basement II ever going to get an offical release?
But Taking a Fall deserves to be heard. I think New Moon was intended to 'round off' his career, which it does beautifully. It wouldn't seem right Basement II being the final release, it's just a bit... dark.
Loads of the stuff on it was on Blue Moon, and I don't think any of the people responsible for it are in a position to give it a proper release anyway.
I agree with you that his delivery is a big part of what makes him, but there's so much more to him that. But yeah, every song he sings, he makes it sound like only he could have written it. Even if he didn't write it.
who could have written 'I Didn't Understand'.
was really good, but not a genius. Sorry, most people who die suddenly get genius status. Mark Hollis is a genius, and still alive, i hope.