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Is Drowned In Sound selling out?
I miss clicheguevera, you're rubbish
this isn't my personal opinion,
it just seems to be the opinion of most users.
and recorded a song with Redman.
it's not like this site costs anything to look at.
but you do get bloc party and pigeon detectives from google sometimes.
trouble is most things relevant to dis isn't stuff with a budget to advertise. it's a really hard balance to reach. they all still spunk money on Guardian Guide and Dazed & Confused...
not that i wanna see which DiSsers are looking at my DiS 'profile'
But that was fixed.
For the other ads, don't look at them, then it's not a problem...
and our group of sites is only half owned by them.
so only about 20% owned, technically.
and who knows how much longer it'll last, we're still need feeding into Sky.com...
there isn't any money to count
this guy owns everything. ^^
They give 8/10 to the really shit Port O'Brien.
DiS sold out to City Slang...
but we were one of the first.
Where else can you discuss Kid Rock, Metallica and Black Kids on the same page?
And wtf is 'selling out' anyway?
No pseuds need apply.
Doing something contrary to your natural instinct because of money or some other external motivating factor (popularity, etc).
Trying to make album two appeal to as many of your fans as possible when what you really wanted to do was make album two sound entirely like a Belgium techno record pulled backwards thought a hedge.
dis isnt a charity. the people who run it don't eat air. they need to make money from ads. get over it.
grow up. Do you think the people who edit and run DiS sit there chomping cigars, drinking champagne and counting their beautiful, beautiful money?
Or do you think that they just wanna make enough money to be able to carry on writing about music because that's what they love? Is that contrary to the "indie spirit"?
Are there ads? Ive got adblock so I wouldn't know.
'drowned in pounds' be a better pun?
perhaps that isn't indie enough
it would, your hired.
Have you ever wondered how much a site like this costs to run ?
I'm guessing the like of Sean, Mike D, Tom M etc forsake paid employment elsewhere to bring us this site for our pleasure ? Would we not all agree that they are talented people who deserve to be paid ?
No doubt they all work in an office somewhere that needs rent and has to pay basic utility bills?
They sponsor events which in turn help fund those events and bring down the cost of tickets for us punters. Who do think pays for this ?
Their site probably has hosting costs and other associated fees ?
I look at DIS every day, i've found loads of great bands, read loads of great reviews etc etc and I've never paid them anything for this pleasure. If they want to make some money out of advertising, good luck to them if it means they keep the site going.
If anyone thinks a site like this can run for nothing for a sustanined period of time then go and buy "html for dummies" and see how far you get.
music site, who can't blame it for wanting to, you know, support the people run it? nothing's free in case you haven't noticed. it does what it says on the tin - features lots of (usually good) music and honest reviews. the community is one of the worst aspects, reams of people fighting over each other in a constant, tedious war to win the 'coolest on the DiS boards competition'. plus if people don't like DiS, it's not like there's a shortage of music sites out there.
is that some of it's users will prevent it becoming as big as it deserves to be. As soon as it shows any sign of growth the "cooler than thou" brigade will come on and say "ah, don't you remember the days when it used to say 7 USERS ONLINE, now there's 456 of them !"
most people on here aren't just cunts. they're sardonic, elitist cunts.
as long as the adverts don't fuck with my music its all good. I even do a click thru sometimes just before leaving to give the advertisers the impression I give a fuck when I don't.
Like American Apparel, record shops etc?
in these advertisers.
I may be wrong but I imagine DIS use an ad agency which serve a series of ads of which they can veto stuff like porn and gambling but can't directly pick the ads that are served.
Why don't you just visit American Apparel after you've visited DrownedinSound if that's what you want ? Do you come here to read the site or the ads ?
I'm not trying to be rude or start an argument, I'm just trying to understand the problem.
are the highest-spending advertiser in the 'social media' online world. They probably aren't advertising here yet because it's not on their radar. Yet.
sites pay them more than DIS does for their ads.
But why do want to see American Apparel on here ? If that's a site you're aware of and you like, then just go there.
Are there people on the American Apparel site complaining that there are no Drowned in Sound adverts ?
that American Apparel already pay to advertise on many sites like this one, and would probably do so here too. That's one way that online advertising works and how sites like this support themselves
I was just saying it'd be nice to have adverts that were more appropriate to the site's content, rather than Sugardaddie and Butlins (at a non-ATP time of year). I was just using it as an example of a site that's advertised on a lot of other websites. Also, I don't really understand why you'd complain when most of AA's models are quite attractive and scantily clad...
it increases the possibility that we might click on them, hence generating more revenue for DiS? Isn't that how it works...?
I pay a fiver a month to read Uncut (which I enjoy) and nothing to read/take part in DIS.
Would I pay a small fee to be on DIS now that i use it ? Yes
Would i use it to the extent that i do now if it wasn't free at the start ? No
Deal with it or do something else.
A pint of Foster's - don't know why.
I mean Sean and the DiS staff have evidently made the decision that they want DiS to be as successful as it can possibly be (which obviously then in turn gives wider exposure to the music they like).
I suspect this has involved various compromises that make the site less "indie-minded" than it might be (I mean both in terms of the number of adverts and the fact occasionally you get the impression DiS writes articles or news on the occasional act due to pragmatism rather than love for the act)
But if they didn't do that I suspect the site wouldn't be as big as it is and they wouldn't have the news/contacts/relationships with labels and bands that I imagine they have.
So I imagine there's an element of compromise involved but I don't think that can necessarily be seen as selling out (although of course it depends what the founding principles of the site were - as long as nothing's been done that compromises those then no-one can have sold out).
to advertise on DIS cos our label had a single coming out but we really couldn't afford it - way beyond our budget...
please note i've not said which label/band so as not to turn this into a badly hidden plug!
and probably do need the money. I doubt they're sat on sacks of money lighting cigares with £50 notes and laughing at the indie labels that can't afford to advertise on the site.
Interestingly Bearded Magazine (obviously a much smaller and newer proposition that's not near the level DiS is at yet) have been developing ways to keep advertising cheap as possible via a subscription package with free gifts etc. for readers to subsidise the costs of advertising.
there's a huge clause in the deal saying they cannot affect any of our editorial.
I was thinking that. But creative control is a bit of a myth, really, cuz if you don't sell records you get dropped, your album is shelved and you're back on the dole.
It's all well and good not letting Murdoch go through the paper with a marker but if they're paying your bills and they wanna see results you have to ask yourself, which is more likely to ensure I can pay my rent; Radiohead or Tin Can Telephone.
is not creative
'Course it is.
Although I dunno if you mean generally or if that was in reference to Tin Can Telephone, whose name I picked at random cuz Radio Radio And The Heads isn't a real band.
procrastination is creative
writing about shit bands is stupid
i'm talking about everything that Tin Can Telephone stands for
i'd rather procrastinate
Big fan of the Cheryl Crow single werya?
I haven't really listened to much Tin Can but I like Tiger Force so, clearly, I can't be anti everything they stand for.
that whole article was an exercise in whether i could still write lies to appease DiS readers
It's not like DiS ever claimed to have the same ethics as Dischord or anything.
We only write about bands from within the M25.
I don't want coverage of any of this "regional" nonsense.
set up a paypal account and see how much use of the site is worth to its users, perhaps offer last.fm style subscription benefits
you get a no-ad version of the site when you log in or something
but adverts really don't annoy me!
about Johnny Cash and Lo! an advert for Johnny Cash ringtones - I felt like I was in that film that the Curry's ad ripped off where Tom Cruise does that woosh-woosh thing with his hands to move virtual screens around.
I am also LOVING the Bee Gees Story advert and even clicked to look at the site - I recommned you all do this: http://www.beegeesstory.co.uk/index.html?PHPSESSID=0fbc90c0805ce3d31edd488073f0a000
and look at The Gallery.
on the internet and in magazines and on walls and in buses and trains... your life will be better
are clever/funny though I do wish I sometimes had some of those glasses like in They Live
MARRY AND REPRODUCE
You don't have to buy what they are trying to sell either - it's called free will though the advert guys probably call it consumer non-compliance.