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review demos of tiny little bands anymore?
is it cos you've sold out?
we either bigged up bands that we later found out weren't very good (when we got to see them live) and then said rubbish band went around telling everyone that DiS thought they were great, when it might have just been the opinion of one person. I've seen people say DiS think they're great when its just been someone posting on the boards about them too.
Also they took up a lot of time and space and sadly not a lot of people were reading the reviews. We'd much rather focus on picking out the very best bits and presenting them as bigger features, picking bands to play our nights and tours, and generally finetune it down to stuff that maybe more than just one person liked.
Oh and then there's people writing really nice reviews of their friends/girlfriends bands which became a bit of an issue early on.
Shame. Generally, you keep mentioning stuff that people read as being a motivation which sounds like demographics, marketing and accountancy speaking.
If it is, fair enough, I'll get my coat but, y'know. As a long time reader first time caller, my one reason for coming here was that, well, that isn't what this place was about, maan. It wasn't about coverage.
I know, I know, there are still loads of small bands on here, not gonna try to make that point. Just saying, a lot of comments and rebuttals I've read from Mr DiS have been very wallet oriented.
I would say "that's what selling out sounds like" but then I'd have to twee it up by saying "not that I think you've sold out" and then I'd be the sell out. Etc.
But only cuz any excuse for one of my favourite diatriabes.
NO OFFENCE innit. I'm sure its hard running a site with books to balance. Genuine li.
just a case of trying to finely focus the site on being the best for everyone
I assumed the need for content which got hitz (cf "not a lot of people were reading the reviews") was linked to various targets and such. Like, if it was just you, making a blog yourself about stuff you wanted to be on the internet, would you care as much about how many people were reading it? Would that be a factor in what you covered?
I don't mean that as a particularly negative thing, more a realistic one. I just assume it's a decision-influencing factor.
There's a thread with dolla signs in it now, though, so I might continue this over there, after Love Is All. Or maybe I'll come accost you with it in White Heat.
Except, obviously, I don't know what you look like and I'm far too l33t for gash like that.
How is this related to Chris Alcock?
this to have something to do with Los Campesinos?
Does this mean my single's not getting reviewed?
And passed the 'hip test' obviously.
we're a much smaller team than people think and we get in the realm of 100 packages a day.
I shut my zine down for a rebuild. It's hard work, i do sympathise with you. And it's an every single day operation. It's just getting harder and harder to get a review out of anyone these days unless you have a cool label banner or a quote off a popular band to back you up if you are unsigned.
rather than just sending it to head office for me, mike and sam.
It's probably a coaster now with the beautiful fold out poster artwork a doodle pad for boring phone conversations.
the pretentious fuck.
Have a Singles Club - Artrocker have an unsigned section. I understand that DiS get lots of packages, but there are lots of trustworthy writers who'd be willing to sift through the demos / unsigned stuff and review the best stuff. People like me and probably thee.
Has transcended the unsigned stage of it's rise as a site. Pitchfork don't really touch on Unsigned bands either and are hugely sucessful, big leager site. if you get 100 packages a day and 84 of them sound like the Arctic Monkey's you start to lose faith in music overall ;)
Well - I've had a listen to what Gareth's saying, but does that mean that DiS is now a site that promotes / dismisses established bands and not the 'up-and-coming bands' that Gareth refers to? I'm a bit confused - easily done.
bands on Independent labels which is great, but yeah established alot fo thema already. This reminds me of a thread a while back when bands pretend they have management and on made up labels.
Seems almost valid. ;)
There's so many blaggers, and as you suggest, they're pretty easy to spot. But when does the point come when you decide - "Yeah - that's a band DiS want to review" if webzines don't listen to unsigned stuff?
PR and Press pluggers mixed with live shows and recommendations on message boards?
Probably. Seems like a missed opportunity, though I know DiS have already tried it.
then book bands for our shows and give them coverage and exposure that way.
Or people on the way up who have a team?
It'd be interesting to know what makes a band something other than just another one on the heap.
Is relaunching soon with more emphasis on new, unsigned and self-financing UK acts. Other zines- Maps Magazine and Pete's in particular do a great job on this front but it's something that commercial enterprises like DiS and ThisIsFakeDIY often overlook.
he obviously knows his stuff.
like the singles round up for higlighting favorites?.......I'll be quiet now
To do such a piece.
Plus: the only people really interested - really - would be the artists covered.
Most music consumers are lazy; reactive, not proactive. Most critics are the same.
I understand it's frustrating to send material somewhere and for it to fall into a black hole, but that's always, ALWAYS been the case with the music industry - just because on DiS you can 'speak' to Sean or any other contributor doesn't mean they're not really laughing at how awful your music is for five seconds before tossing it in the bin.
We can only review around 20-25 per cent of properly signed material we receive, if that. To do less means I run the risk of losing tight professional ties with labels, PR companies, bands... essentially the relationships that keep DiS in a position of dominance (this side of the pond).
Ultimately the good always does out, and great unsigned acts come through the ranks - sometimes with the help of zines, sites and mags, but mostly cos they work really fucking hard, tour really fucking hard and truly believe that what they're doing matters.
Truthfully, probably around 2 per cent of what I hear through DiS sounds like it's made by bands with that sort of attitude.
and I don't think all contributors are "laughing at how awful your music" is.
But DiS has become too big and probably can't waste his time and "relationships" on unknown bands.
A shame because small labels ( and artists themselves ) around the world are releasing things largely worthy of DiS coverage...
will creep through the cracks. historically they always do.
not if they don't fall on the right persons that'll help them.
they're only right with hindsight.
I can review something, give it 10/10, sing its praises.
Then someone else could give it 6/10, but that someone has a more powerful, louder voice; or something they write or say sticks, it starts the ripples.
into waves, into tides... like I posted below: there are no set parameters, no governed rules. Gut and heart still lead mind and sense.
Well, with a few exceptions. Scouting For girls: utterly gutless.
if it was full of unsigned bands.
That's what the likes of Tourdates are for.
Agree with MD, the only people that want this site to feaure unsigned bands are people that are in unsigned bands.
So how the Warlocks or A place to bury strangers are touring the world and being talked about everywhere when ( the arguably better ) Darker My Love are getting far less reviews.
Why are the boring Kim Novak getting reviewed when Frustration are struggling to get known and Object still waiting for a label ?
Knowing the people that'll help your release get listened and reviewed on mags and sites is still important...
i don't think i could have spent more time and money (considering) on Jeniferever who i now sadly can't afford to release a second album by and even with Sonic Youth's press officer they failed to garner much coverage or get licensed outside of the UK or get anywhere near the attention they deserve.
doesn't mean you haven't helped them getting an higher profile.
Even if their album was never released here, they're more known in indie circles than Redjetson, Audrey, Gregor Samsa...
Sadly being known and loved doesn't mean you'll sell records this days !
that post pretty much describes why you should take a break from what you're doing right now.
are also really fucking lazy. And some really terrible bands are really committed. So if big sites like something small they should be able to just say so and have done with it. Commit to something real.
there are no hard and fast rules, no method to the madness that is stupid A&R cuntz waltzing around lahndahn with expense accounts (still) sucking the fucking life from bands who once possessed the spark to set a nation ablaze... BUT, generally, bands at the margins exist there for a reason,and those that don't even make it that far ARE often not worth a second of anyone's time.
The last band who were unsigned at the time I first saw them that I went: holy SHIT these guys are amazing... was Lovvers. And now they're doing something with Wichita. So, the cream rises...
As for a break... yeah, sort of. A break in the clouds. Just today I remarked to Luke (Quietus dude) that I'd not heard anything in quite some time that really grabbed me... perhaps the last thing was Pyramids. (Although I am very sweet on LOTP's album, despite its obvious nods to a million bands before it - it's just a LOT of fun, and sometimes that's all you need.)
Post your tips here? MySpaces, etc? Chances are I may have heard of the band names, but perhaps I've not HEARD them, y'getsme.
extending into my tips here, The Empty Set are probably in terms of number of live shows placed the laziest good band I know of, probably about three in the last year, but they've got on album coming out on Tough Love. (emptyset.co.uk/music)
Ace Bushy Striptease are just such a fun indie fanboys shouty pop band and they're on the Brainlove compilation... (www.myspace.com/acebushystriptease) I think they probably work quite hard, however. Well, apparently they make fanzines for shows.
In terms of coverage relative to how good they are, DiS could really do with more Cats In Paris (though I know you've mentioned them in features before), just thought I'd add that as an aside...
...is in the hands of a reviewer. Words forthcoming.
having heard people rave about them so much on here, but then i don't like/get the fuss about JoFo or Los Camp' either *runs*
as are JoFo and Los Campesinos imo so... well, I've basically got all the taste there. :D
which means bands like the above aint for me but you'd be stunned how much stuff i get sent that's in a similar ballpark.
but do you guys ever look at JAG's? Didn't the Los Campesinos success story start becuase one of the members posted a JAG on these boards?
Mike, Sean etc.. check out
www.myspace.com/congregationband recently signed to Bronzerat..
The Rayographs www.myspace.com/therayographs they played one my nights and will try to get them on again
There are a few really good bands but just with shoddy demo's so gotta see em live so will leave them..
Selfish Cunt should get more coverage on here as they are a great band and just about to release an album August 18th and do a massive tour..
Alright that'l do tricks let me know what you think
Are great. I bought the Lp when it came out. They sound even better now from what i've heard. Feel frustrated i havent heard more of them to be honest.
Big big love.
We are fanboys+girl now with our snazzy singer. We will play our hardest in Salford for you x