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Or not, because it isn't quite a 'derivative' as the old stuff?
The old stuff isn't derivative...if anything, the new stuff (i.e Puzzle) certainly is.
be derivative of the old stuff. But it isn't. It's so fucking watered down it's unreal.
I don't like it.
I assumed they were rushing to release an EP or single to appease their old fans with something a bit different.
It sounds like puzzle with more studio dickery attached - with the bummer caveat that now they're gonna be all 'upbeat'...oh MOUNTAINS, Simon, how the silly-useless-shit did you think of that.
Band over. Next.
I am sickened I never got into Biffy before Puzzle :'(
In fact, for what it is, Puzzle's a decent album; mainstream pop hits - even people who dislike it have to admit that mostly, the hooks are there.
For me they were the first band I followed around the country, first band I assembled a group of friends to get a train to go and see, first band I hung around outside a venue to meet. Even now, VOB sounds like nothing else.
Even now, Mountains sounds like absoloutley everything else :(
I absolutely don't have time for them anymore.
ive liked biffy from the beginning and there were always hooks there and catchy moments.i just dont understand how theyve lost their way.theyve got better at writing catchy songs thats it.they still play the old songs so whats the problem?
"They've lost their way.
I absolutely don't have time for them anymore."
They got big.
I honestly couldn't give a shit if they were the biggest band in the UK.
Don't make me out to be an elitist, you ignorant fuck.
However, that is certainly not the reason why I dislike their recent stuff.
its more obvious, more poppy, less edgy, less interesting.
and if that means being more poppy and mainstream then so be it.and to be honest i think its about time they deserved some stardom.theyve been playing toilets for god knows how many years
headlining the john peel stage on sunday too.. (i wish i could see that) but im sure they didnt need to go poppy, that was there choice, which is fair enough, but i dont think they were ever re-hashing the same ideas, vertigo of bliss was a good second album, and even parts of infinity land too..
im sure they could have kept on progressing without turning out as poopy as they are now, and maybe their yearning for more stardom had a part to play in that decision. who knows.
i just really dont like how they have turned out. but they are still a good band, and i will always have love for them
friend. VOB era especially.
they've always done big poppy choruses but this one just doesn't grab me the way something like Questions & Answers or 57 did.
it sounds MASSIVE
They've gotten bigger, now the kool kids don't like em. Coincidence? It happens with every other band who get big. I ain't surprised.
Puzzle isn't that different from their other stuff. Glitter and Trauma, Questions and Answers, 57 all had huge choruses like Living is a Problem and Saturday Superhouse. Yeah it's slightly more polished, but they're still the same band.
Their "edginess" got fucking annoying after 14 songs anyway, they disappeared up their own bums a bit really. TVOB is shit, the first album is ace, as is Puzzle.
I may have to kill you, I'm sorry I have no choice.
'They've gotten bigger, now the kool kids don't like em. Coincidence?'
i think people have more sense than that. the reason why people have gone off them is becuase of hoe their sound has evolved, not becuase they are now bigger. and of course they are the same band, but you cant liken puzzle to the debut, no no no.
is much more like what I've heard from Puzzle than either of the other albums. It's full of big foosy grunge-pop choruses and singalongs, whereas the other two have more yelling screaming and acting 'weird'.
i really should have listened to the albums again before commenting away.
if puzzle had been there debut though, i wouldnt have given them a second look. no way jose
I'm scared that I'm going to be majorly disappointed, I guess I should just MTFU and buy it.
like, lots. Played it more than once too!
Ive seen them laods of times, starting from tiny gigs in Pubs to massive gigs and this new single is pretty safe. its not bad but it's making me question whether i will buy anymore of their stuff.
Did you hear Zane lowe going on about it? He was fanatical about it. Dick cheese.
Always going to be a backlash to their success, but no bands deserves it more, they've consistently been brilliant.
They've always had hooks mixed in with the rock, it's why I love them so much I think, they're just more noticeable on Puzzle. It's still an album that has tracks like Living Is A Problem, Get Fucked Stud etc, so it's not exactly a horrible sell out, just an evolution.
They've been getting poppier with each album really. Oh, and I agree about TVOB being untouched, it's a near perfect record.
i like it alot
..I really didn't think I could possibly like it more than Infinity Land, I was wrong.
how can you called vertigo shit? Pretty much the best album outta the 4...
Although you realsied that you replied on the wrong place right?
is so fucking retarded.
(the cool kids)
'The Vertigo of Bliss' is by far biffy clyro's best album because it is the band at their creative AND melodic best. It was on this album where they perfected their sound and pushed themselves the furthest they ever have (and by the sounds of it probably ever will)
Blackened Sky is fine but it is more or less just a Sunny Day Real Estate tribute, which is better than being a tribute to a lot of other things, but that was a band still trying to find its feet.
Infinity Land is a band clumsily trying to work out where to go next with reletive success. It had some fantastic sing-alongs and epic parts but nothing that could rival TVOB because every song on that album is perfectly weighted and emotionally sought.
and in all honesty, I didn't mind Puzzle when it first came out; in fact, when the three singles leading up to it came out, I was excited; 'Semi-Metal', 'Saturday Superhouse' and 'Living is a Problem' are all fantastic and edgy pop songs. It's just that that album had no real staying power. Outside of those 3 singles there were only a couple of other good songs; 'a whole child ago', 'now i'm everyone', 'get fucked stud'. Otherwise, the album was over-produced and lacked substance, seeing as the other half of songs were either boring or plain aggrivating 'Who's got a match?' anyone? And as if it weren't a final insult, they then decided to release those terrible songs as singles and officially put the final dagger into their legacy when 'Folding Stars', 'Machines' and 'Who's got a match?' were being sung by every half brained radio 1 listening idiot in the country.
no, I have no problem with their success, in fact, i'm happy for them, given the joy they've given me over the years they desevre everything they get, just don't expect me to sympathise when their 5th album turns out to be a commercial flop now they have committed to throwing themselves into the torretial shark pond that is the british mainstream music media.
they seem to be in it for the music, and they have a hardcore fanbase, so they'll always sell pretty well.
Agree that 'Folding Stars' is crap though; nice sentiment, shit song.
if post-puzzle biffy is a flop then they will find their original hardcore has been SEVERELY weakened and the idiots will be gone too.
they would have to go back to doing something really special and have a huge reality check if they're going to get them back again.
This isn't impossible, there are bands who have managed it, but they have to really mean it and write some really good songs (which judging by this, isn't happening) to have even a hope of people picking them up again.
Sick fed up of "that oh you don't like them because they're popular now" bullshit line.
It's boring. They're boring. Get over it.
they seem to have lapsed into a bit of a formula, namely:
"write a big fuck-off Major label/Jo Wiley/Tesco Shopper-pleasing rock ballad with a suitably "epic"/"hooky" chorus, then sporadically drop a beat in an unusual place to make it sound like the old stuff...kinda".
All power to them as it seems to be paying off, but I sure won't be buying the single when it comes out.
"Tesco Shopper-pleasing rock" (WTF, does this even meen, EVERYONE has to buy their groceries somewhere)
If you meen people that can buy most of their CDs from Tescos, then you're just plain wrong.
and not meaning to be cheeky, but you are openly admitting to having heard only one track on the album (Puzzle), and it is one of the better ones, so you will forgive me if I stand by my assertions.
I have listened to the whole thing many times and tried my hardest to love it out of loyalty to a band that I have loved since their first album (and still cite as a major influence), but unfortunately, this new single to me is a nail in a coffin and not the return to form I had hoped.
Yes, I am painting in broad, generalising brush strokes in the above comment (largely for the sake of brevity and childish humour), but I just cannot appreciate their latest musical offerings and have witnessed firsthand the vast shift in their appeal to an entirely new demographic.
I seriously don't begrudge them their success as they gave me years of joy at their music and to wish them anything other than the best would be ridiculously petty.
Just saying, on the basis of their newest stuff, I'm done.
but that was a perfect argument.the other point you made was ridiculous though!
I didn't need to hear the rest of Puzzle to understand the ridiculous nature of pizz101's first post, although the 2nd one displays a more sensible set of well made points.
you do kinda need to know what someone is talking about if you intend to debate or criticise them. Kinda helps.
Glad the rest of what I said meets with your approval though. :P
but I can honestly hear Biffy's stuff getting more formulaic and regardless of the way I made it, I still don't think my initial point is that ridiculous underneath it all.
If I seemed flippant or reactionary or a bit of a dick in any way, it is my own (not very good) way of dealing with a band who, having broadened my musical horizons to a staggering degree, who I felt like I "grew" with, who I told every single one of my mates about (who then in turn had their own horizon broadening experience and then came to every gig with me), have now seemed to turn and do a bit of a musical 180 degrees.
I know I am not the only one spotting the shift in their music so again, don't think my first point is entirely without validity.
Each album has gained them more recognition (i think infinity land made it into the top 20). I suppose it would be true to say that after years of being a popular underground band, it seems logical that they dabble in the mainstream.
Also, they are a hell of alot more interesting to see live than any mainstream indie shite drivel like Razorlight or The Killers (nothing personal, they're just very dull).
Basically what i'm saying in a long winded way is that BC have not sold out and are still a wicked live band.
but its possible to be interesting AND popular
take foals,(or more obviously, RADIOHEAD) alright, they can be critised for being a bit too samey at times but the fact that they've managed to get away with making a very distilled version of Battles popular is an admirable task by any stretch of the imagination.
Pop music is awesome but it still needs to be passionate if i'm ever gonna give a shit (like what biffy managed on earlier albums)
The thing about Puzzle for me personally is that the songs sound alot better live than on record, a particular example of this is Who's Got a Match, which is a pretty eclectic pop song.
Biffy really are a very passionate live band and have a huge sound (especially given that there's only 3 of them).
and thats how they became one of my favourite bands back in the day; it just no longer interests me
Soundgarden. They went mainstream on Superunknown yet, with DOTU, managed to a commercially pleasing yet artistically sound follow-up.
You don't neccesarily have to dumb down to appeal to a mass audience.