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Apparently he may be the most irritating man on the planet...
They are so fucking shit.
Yeah, he's annoying. But whoever wrote that is just as much of a prick
Its a shame cos the points about retroism and the overriding influence of prevailing trends in indie rock are important. Also, there's nothing wrong with doing your top button up without a tie.
with buttoning up your shirt and wearing no tie.
On which you button the top button up?
If so, then I see your point.
just doesn't come across well in quotation form; though you can tell it's partly tongue in cheek.
...he left out the 'on' from the title. aggggggggggggggh. Sucker!
I'm not a Foals fan but surely that makes the writer a dick.
I've met him a few times, and he seemed pretty nice.
trying to look like an important haircut.
can you not see the pretention?
He's read 4 quotations, seen talking heads and PIL mentioned then used them OVER AND OVER AGAIN as a reason that foals are bad, or something like that.
I like foals. Foals guy is annoying.
I also like foals, I also think Foals guy is a very nice person.
that was a shit reply.
I don't find him annoying or an arse, his interview answers always seem very tounge in cheek and this has passed by the guy writing the article.
I think some foals stuff is pretty pop.
or indecent, however.
i think the guy from foals comes across pretty badly in print.
he's no johnny borrell.
says annoying things
but his heart is in the right place. he obviously isnt deliberately ripping people off. its easy to pick on foals. this writer is a cock
however, i do think it's really lame when bands that arent pop call themselves pop. alphabeat, the ting tings, gabriella cilmi, the clik clik and girls aloud are pop. the kooks and razorlight etc are just piss indie
Kooks and Razorlight are BLATANTLY pop music. Indie is pop music. Every genre has been/is pop music to an extent.
I also consider the term to involve music that *aspires* to be the popular music style of its day as it is being created as pop music.
you think if napalm death got to number four in the album charts and were on the front of the nme they'd be pop? or they were signed to virgin?
a long long time, has it?
Chill the fuck out.
and judging from that, knows about next to NOTHING about music.
and therefore 'pop'?
i don't know. i agree with some of the things the writer is saying, especially about indie bands going on about how 'pop' they are, but its pretty whack to just character assasinate one person who seems like an alright guy when he simply represents a cliche'd (sp?) idea.
pop = popular
The Foal aren't popular
Also I noticed the foals album right at the front nicely displaced at HMV, does that make them popular?
They're not popular
I've got no beef with Mr Foal..
This article kinda pisses me off.
And why can't they call themselves a pop band? Their music is catchy and very accessible, I think the writers got it completely wrong. I'm really not adding much to this debate, I'll be off now!
I didn't enjoy reading it.
And Foals ARE popular, seriously.
Popular = Arctic Monkeys (for example)
Very popular = Coldplay (for example)
By my measure, therefore, Foals aren't popular, or at least, that popular.
I just thought I was trying to make clearer how I defined "popular".
I really don't understand your comment...
The "stick sellotaped to my head" bit, I'm guessing, implies I have no hands to type and you're saying, therefore, I'm a retard?
This would make sense with your following comment "is it just eye movement", which would suggest I'm hooked up to some kind of Steven Hawking type machine. Or that I have very large eyes that obtrude to the point that I'm able to type with them.
Either way, you're quite witty in a non witty kinda way.
big capacity venues.
But then again, how would I know? They don't have ramps at these venues to let in massive retards like me.
doesn't make you popular.
foals are hyped. not popular. we'll see if they are still doing all the things you have mentioned in 2 years.
Are they trying to be annoying.
They 'journo' is abviously a wanker, but that Foals guy is the bitter bloody end.
Perhaps they could cancel out eachother's existence?
my keyboard is dying.
like indie might have been talulah gosh like 20 years ago but now it refers to people who were influenced by that music. loads of grime is released on independant labels and you wouldn't call that indie. also, metallica's albums sell more than kylie minogue, girls aloud or the kooks, does that make them pop music?
How can it not? If they sell more than Kylie and the Kooks, then they are EVEN MORE POP than those acts. Just accept it. Its a reflection of their success and wide appeal - don't see it as a setback!
The term might *suggest* a certain sound at a particular time or place, but it is still an indication of popularity or similarity to what is popular.
Whereas - for better or worse - 'indie' does now strongly indicate a particular genre. However, the term still retains its original meaning to an extent.
Very correct in every way.
Its also pretty applicable to a lot of pricks on this website. Especially the thing about 'pop'.
what the kids like? thats a small demographic
but i wouldnt agree thats what makes it pop. i think pop is a genre, same as indie, grindcore and rap
where doesn Math Rock fit into all this?
and when the beatles came out they were pop, thats what they were defined as
rap is a specific thing, the delivery of the words
pop doesnt mean whatever is the most popular, thats just where the word originated from, just like the word "cool" doesnt just mean cold any more
you said if napalm death were number one it'd be pop. thats ridiculous. the name "pop" derives from the word popular. now it is the name for a genre.
genre AND be used to described as something as popular, surely!
it's about how the music is consumed. Pop music is that which is consumed then thrown away. It often never affects the listener at any point other than when they are listening to the single, and then they listen to another band right after. Pop music is only popular that's what the majority of people want from music.
The writer's view on foals' take on "pop" is pretty correct, but the piece is still crap
what was pop in the sixties isnt what's pop now
music has become more of an industry since then
the biggest selling bands aroud now make music with the aim of selling loads of records, and are usually manufactured or guided by labels. the beatles weren't aiming to be the most popular band in the world
you can't measure up bands from the 60s by 2008 standards. everyone did covers, the beatles, the rolling stones, ella fitzgerald. its not the same as atomic kitten singing the tide is high
and anyway, you said the beatles started off as a rock and roll band and became a pop band? they did the covers when they started out and were "rock and roll" according to you, which contradicts what you're saying now
that is separate from pop music
the beatles are a pop band by the standard of the 60s. and i don't even an idiot like you could realisticly say that the way the beatles were handled is any way near as cynical as the manufactured bands of today. they wrote their own songs, the played them on two guitars, a bass and drums. they would be considered an indie band if they came out tomorrow.
i didnt say rock and roll was a life style choice. you said the beatles were rock and roll when they first came out, but you also said that they were a pop "boy band". if you can't keep up fuck off
anyway you're missing the point. i like pop music a lot, i like all the bands i've listed. but its its own genre
you call me 14 and then call me a bell whiff? you're pretty clever. you must only be about 16? you've listed all the bands foals have name dropped as your favourites
im stopping this now cos this is probably pissing everyone off.
i didnt think bloc party, arctic monkeys, block party and snow patrol are pop
but kylie, rihanna and justin timberlake are. and they sound similar enough to be the same genre
and the others all share similar attributes
when you're the same genre it doesnt exactly the same song you idiot. hardly any genre comprises of songs that are exactly the same.
the point is, by your definition of pop, radiohead are more of a pop band than alphabeat.
you can go around calling people retards and 14 year olds but you're point is still stupid
also *it doesn't mean its exactly the same song
i said they were the poppier band
radiohead can't be referred to as a pop band any more, Kid A? Amnesiac? you think that is closer to the idea of "pop" than alphabeat?
it doesnt matter who sells the most records. alphabeat are a poppier band than radiohead. to say anything to the contrary is ridiculous
is the point, just like something can be heavier or more avant garde.
the point is not who is more important.
radiohead used to be pop but not any more.
you can't realistically say that amnesiac is more of pop album than this is alphabeat
are avant garde but they can also be tuneful, there are other bands that wouldn't involve tunes.
and i would obviously have different grades of pop as it's a genre, and bands can dip into many genres, like radiohead's early albums are much poppier
its the same as a band like talulah gosh being very indie and participating in the genre more than the libertines, who were less indie as they had more of a punk influence
is a genre
not what sells more
shut up please?
I'm not going to tell anyone to shut the f*ck up because DiS threads are all about freedom of speech- however I think that 'isthisinteresting' (oh, the irony!) and 'too_black_too_strong'(_too_boring) are both guilty of polluting this thread with some awful verbal diarrhea.
Pop music is the filthy corporate side of an otherwise creative art. The popularity of music is measured by record sales, and since record sales are the measure of a record label's success as a business they invest stategically in certain styles of music and production that have proven to be popular in the recent past. For example, I think that Foal's popularity owes a great deal to the prior success of bands like Blocparty. In another time or place both of these bands might have remained obscure 'indie' bands but in the '00s UK this is what the record buying public (yes, predominantly middle class teenagers) are lapping up. Hence the massive DiS backlash against them. ...that and the fact that Diver bums them. hard.
for boring argument :(
Seriously, I live in the area and I'm familiar with the Hoxton afro, but putting a presumably negative slur on a beard, well that's just mean! A beard is a beard, just embrace it, don't lump it in with those awful bowl hair cuts or the aforementioned Hoxton afro (short at the sides, something curly for the ladies on top). I have a beard, a good one at that, and I just refuse to have it fall prone to such a comment as that put upon Mr. Philippakis' own facial hair.
never got why people think that those awful Shoreditch bowl cuts with the whole temple area number oned right up above the ears looks anything other than ludicrous.
ppl who use the way another person dresses to insult them, or stereotype.
thats the sort of thing a nazi would do,
the man is obviously a total idiot.
Have you been reading the Friendly Guide to History or something?
you know what I mean,
it was based on looks ><
okay scrap that and replace the word nazi with bigot :)
Yeah he's a bigot. Anyways.....
on this whole 'pop'/'popular' debacle... is that one has to accept that definitions change and modulate, yes, it derives from a denotation of 'popular'.. but that has somewhat shifted over time, the adjective now carries other vague connotations. For me, something is 'pop' only if it created with mass market success in mind, the INTENT to be popular, over all other concerns, is what defines it for me. Just as the INTENT to be a painting plays a massive part in whether something is or isn't one, an accidental splodge made by a child ca be appreciated atristically/aesthetically/spiritually, but one has to accept a difference of ontological intent, successful or otherwise. In which case:
radiohead, pink floyd, bloc party, talking heads, foals etc- NOT POP, just incidentally popular and influential.
EAST 17, Kooks,Killers, Atomic Kitten, James Blunt- Succesful pop, by intent if not by execution.
Lots of other bands (ANNIE ETC>)- Unsuccesful pop, by intent, Massively succeseful by execution.
no, i don't like either, there is no snobbery or value judgement... i do think, as stated, that there is a difference of intent though. yep yep.
and yes i can speculate, i do, you do, it is how we consume.
and plus, i did.
not sure why. doesn't matter essentially (even though i think you are wrong)... because my distinction was between intent and execution...i think you may have fundamentally misunderstood my point here.
you seem quite testy.
not talking about validity, not talking about who is cooler, not bothered, not my point, at all. and yes, i am speculating on the intent, and of course i have no absolute authority on the subject... but there is no point descending into pointless relativism....
...like if you can convince a jury that you killed somebody by accident then it's "manslaughter" not "murder"? That old chestnut?
i'm in a manslaughter band as it happens.
We had a chat about Berlin and Steve Reich and some minimal music.
Suppose it is a bit pompous really, but who cares.