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Is probably the best album ive ever heard from a british band ever!!
though it's ok good
the book rocks! Blood, death, betrayal, giants, goblins, tits all that guff. Someone should make a film.
Favourite British album? Probably not.
though i have played it to death now.
is Seamonsters, by the Wedding Present.
The Holy Bible's bloody good though.
least favourite Manic album and the album which spelt the beginning of the end of them with overblown crap like a Design For Life to follow... Holy Bible is an up its own arse bloated monstrosity. For me it was about the innocent days of Generation Terrorist and Gold Against The Soul. My opinion and i guess I am going against the grain of what everyone else thinks.
is the most ludicrously overblown, over-reaching and misguided attempt to crack America I have ever heard. I still have a soft spot for it, but 'Design For Life' sounds like Jose Gonzales by comparison.
They have quite fancied being a stadium rovk band at various points of their career. In a way it's a shame they weren't able to retain their status near the top of the commerical tree, they're a damn sight more interesting that what passes for stadium rock these days, ie Green Day and Foo Fighters.
lots of pretty good ones
but for me personally its all about new art riot / generatin terrorists.
that said my fave song is
roses in the hospital or patrick bateman.
(Influences of Wire, much better than any other stuff they did) but thought it was pretty rubbish and not much different to the other Manics stuff.
who prefers the rawer UK version???
Top album, anyway
the only person who would make such a statement.
the UK version IS the album. the US version is really just a buffed up shiny clean version of a dark dirty album.
whoever thought that was a good idea was obviously.. an american!
and it didn't leave my stereo until i got Pinkerton. I had never heard music like that before, so dark and intense and thought there were no other bands like that. Then i discovere Magazine, Wire and PIL and realized that Post Punk was the genre of music for me. I suggest you listen to those bands too as you will probably like them and take back that rather hasty comment of "best album from a British band ever".
It's a fascinating album and an interesting insight into a guy who's losing the plot in a big way and, as an illustration of the functioning of a mind of someone with severe mental illness, it's probably up there with Louis Wain's work for example.
What I think kind of frustrates me is when people portray the rantings and ravings of someone who clearly needed a hell of a lot of help as some kind of evidence of a work of lyrical genius. Lyrically, for obvious reasons, it's incredibly flawed and basically unedited ranting, in places roughly akin to what you'd get from a homeless guy wandering up to you on the street and talking utter nonsense that only makes sense in his head.
Which is incredibly interesting thing to listen to but it's an incredible album through it's flaws and not through it's strengths.
They're obviously very into it, and the songs are good, but it just tends to leave me cold (Gold against the soul is a better album IMO). And the production has dated badly. Did the re-issue do it any favours?
so its flaws are its strengths?
i love this record so much, it sounds as stark as it is lyrically. They're some beautiful words. James sounds on fire.
I wouldn't say best british album but its in my top 10 90s records
I love "The Holy Bible". Although, i don't pay much attention to the lyrics to be honest. I think it is musically brilliant though
Even better when you consider how out of step it is with everything else that surrounded it. As I recall it came out the same year as 'Definitely Maybe', 'Parklife', 'Dog Man Star' and 'Dummy'. 'Holy Bible' just seemed out on it's own. Still does in many ways.
makes my top 10 or 20. But compared to stuff like Young Team, not even close.
with holy bible. Timeless classic springs to mind, though gold against the soul was alright too.
do people really think it any good? its awful, the manics trying to be bloody bon jovi....
It doesn't have the bite of the two records released either side of it.
That said, the production on the debut sounds really thin now.
It's better than GT
it's the production and playing that matches the lyrical bite... It's a brilliant sounding record...
Always thought of it in loose terms as the UK's 'In Utero'...
Easily better than Generation Terrorists. I'm sticking to this.
It does make 'em sound like a pub rock band.
yep, i'm nicking that one.
I don't listen to it anymore, to be honest I'd rather not. It would bring back to many memories of suicidal teenage depression.
Terrifying in places ('Mausoleum'), achingly beautiful ('This Is Yesterday') in others. It's also got some genuinely insightful and intelligent things to say that are no less relevant 13 years (?) on.
I reckon it's time for a reappraisal, my second favourite Manics album.
Gold Against The Soul is great. 'La Tristesse Durera' is one of their greatest songs.
Most underrated album of the 90's..??
but I find it hard to listen to without thinking James Dean Bradfield doesn't comprehend the meaning of the lyrics he's belting out, hence the peculiar phrasing of a lot of them.
that said, I haven't listened to it in about 5 years.
maybe he's now just a fat comfortable rock star counting his cash in his mansion so doesn't care about his appearance anymore...!