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I am having trouble understanding this...
and implements the performance of bands and artists as a means to positively spread the message that racism is BAD.
Well at least that's what I think they're getting at..
And do they actually do anything else? Apart from spreading messages to impressionable teens and students before, erm, the racists do?
press the reply button on HIS post.
What difference does it make? Well done, you've just wasted 10 seconds of your life typing that.
it just makes it clear who you are responding to. You are on DiS, you are wasting your life anyway.
when someone proves that they're stupid without me having to do anything.
just the message they spread are generally positive, rather than hateful. Its not the most effective cause, but at the end of the day, its gigs and stuff, and a generally correct message.
they decided that everyone still buying all that music which sounds like its being played by the same band is incredibly fucking stupid - stupid enough to not realise that racism isn't nice.
I don't like how they get involved in politics. Basically, they're trying to indoctrinate YOUNG PEOPLE into becoming Tony Benn-lovers as opposed to letting them decide on their own political outlook.
I say Nick Griffin throws one. Rock Against Immigration. Yes please.
its not like they are forcing young people to agree. You have to give them the oppertunity to hear what people think.
Everyone there will be impressionable and stupid, and so will probably believe everything they're told.
If it was just 'don't judge people on race, sexuality, religion and love eachother', then I'd be totally in support of it.
I think its overly political. The inclusion of these kids' idols makes it worse. No doubt they'll all be told how evil the Tories and basically any form of right-wing thinking is.
But mainly I don't think any prejudices should be prioritised. Like I said, they should be telling people like me to just love everyone as opposed to just telling me to love foreigners, people of other races and to vote Liberally when I'm old enough to.
Yes the people will be impressionable, which is why its important that they are given oppertunities to hear peoples viewpoints.
When i went to a similar thing(mainly to see the Buzzcocks and the Wailers) it was more sort of a anti racism/BNP thing.
If you had the festival thing where it was 'love everything', youd basically have a simpsons 'hoorray for everything' festival on your hands.
and finally, if someone is left wing in their thinking, why shouldnt they be allowed to express it?
And so you're saying that being anti-racist is more acceptable than being anti-prejudiceonthewhole? Nah.
And would you let someone right wing express themselves so publicly? A music festival solely intended to create unease towards immigration?
Nah im not saying that at all, im just saying its far more effective to concentrate on one simple message, than trying to right all of societys wrongs with one festival.
And yeah i would, because theyre free to say what they like. I'd think they were wrong and mostly pretty ignorant for such an opinion, but yeah, they can say what they like more or less.
and not that the bands for RAR are good but I can't imagine Rock For Racism are gonna be amazing.
a fete during the war or something.
I bet the majority of those people don't even vote and are just there coz its sunni.
Everyone's just running about having fun in the sun, but also wearing Union Jacks at the same time.
but they're all probably much more bothered about what's happening in the Rovers Return tonight than BORING POLITICS.
"Lovely get together, guys. Did anyone see me there, I was the coloured chap clapping his hands."
Yet another classic from the Youtube comments...
they also raise money for the ANL to campaign in areas where the BNP have a lot of support.
The organisation seems to want to continue the ideas of rock against racism in the late 70s/early 80s. Problem being is that in the 70s and 80s, the moron skinheads were going to the same gigs as the people organising Rock Against Racism, so it seemed fairly relevant for bands to specifically state that they were in support of RAR, as a lot of their fans were racist thugs, whereas these days its pretty much preaching to the converted.
its far less relevant than it once was, but its not really a bad thing at all.
the message that "racism is bad" can't really be faulted, but I went to a local gig organised under the LMHR banner recently and it just made me feel a little uncomfortable. All of the bands were very much white indie, so it wasn't really an advert for musical racial diversity, there were about 3 non white people in the 250 or so that were there, and it felt a bit like an excercise in "lets all feel righteous and smug in thinking that racism is bad". It raised money for the ANL, but I don't know how effective they are in opposing the BNP. I doubt anyone who is thinking of voting BNP will think twice because the ANL has exposed them for the racist thugs that they are.
But then again, racism is obviously a very bad thing and should be opposed, I'm just not sure a load of musicians playing to a load of people who aren't racist is actually going to achieve anything.
is going. Actually she's only one of two racist girls I know. But she's going.
She asked me to go. She says that although she despises the cause, its free and she's not giving them any money to support their charity or whatever it is.
The people going from college are these fairly-funboy semi-indie fans that haven't got an absolute clue about anything political and couldn't care less. I think most people going will be of a similar mind.
If they want kids to start thinking about politics, they should teach it a lot earlier in school I think. My politics lessons in PSHE consisted of us being told that the BNP are sinister, refugees have a right to come to the UK and that its good to vote.
but I agree with everything else you've said.
seem to promote a mix of white and black cultures. Which does actually happen in their London events, where grime and hiphop are represented as much as indie is. Provincial and provincial audiences being what they are, though, that doesn't happen as much.
That's not to say that all white people only like indie and all black people only like grime, but one is definitely culturally "black" and one culturally "white"
*provincial lineups and provincial audiences.
A lot of the votes the BNP pick up are from people who support their anti-immigration policies and vaguely believe they are a good thing for the working class.
Point out that there are other parties with anti-immigration policies and that the BNP believes in dismantling workers rights and the NHS, as well as supporting arming the population with free guns, and their support for the BNP tends to disintegrate.
I'm not sure that LMHR will ever have anything like the impact of RAR for a variety of reasons, but if some people have their awareness of the issues raised then that no bad thing IMO.
always loved their policy of arming the population. It's what tipped the balance from "racist idiots" to "more ludicrous than the monster raving loony party" in my eyes after reading their policies out of interest.
but their big events always co-incide with elections. Generally, people are apathetic about voting and that's how extremist groups like the BNP can gain seats or what not these days.
Hence if LMHR can convince a few people to vote for another party and keep the BNP etc out of power then they've done their job. I'm quite surprised no-one's mentioned this (unless I missed something).