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If "they" ever give them the Glastonbury headlining slot again, THEN I might boycott the event.
I'm not sure that he is wrong really.
but i too think he's right.
He's only expressing an opinion. Nothing wrong with that in my book.
I've raised this argument somewhere else and I'll do it here too. If, say, Clapton had headlined but anyone reading this didn't like him, would we have been reading wall-to-wall "blues artists shouldn't headline Glastonbury" posts on message boards? No.
of guitar music.
of all sorts of music on lots of stages.
but I don't think it would be too out there to suggest not so much on the mainstage
Gallagher said: "If it ain't broke don't fix it.
and they lost it about oooh 10 years ago?
With the exception of Lyla, which is ace.
If by 'it' you mean the alternative/indie acclaim, sure.
If you mean success, and ability to still sell stadium tours in seconds, topping the chart unquestionably with every new album, then no. You're sorely wrong.
Saying anything else would be false modesty, which is perhaps even worse
It sold out the year Rod Stewart brought his Las Vegas act to headline. Glastonbury usually sells out whoever they put on, although I'd much rather go to a festival headlined by Jay-Z than one headlined by Kings Of Leon.
because there are so many other better festivals around, end of.
Rod Stewart was in one of the biggest and best rocknroll bands of the 70s. Although he did go off the tracks, he's like a Mick Jagger figure.
You have spoken the truth.
And Jay-Z's, for that matter.
and he's wide of the mark here.
Glastonbury's present 'troubles' (suach as they are, the event will still sell out) are due to a number of factors including: Horrendous rain and mud year on year (and images of said rain and mud being the abiding pubic image of the event), the fact that it's simply way too crowded (they need to cut it back to 100,000 tickets, but they NEVER will) and the profusion of alternative options both at home and abroad with FAR, FAR, FAR superior line-ups and more fun on offer at a much lower price.
A critical mass of people have finally discovered what many of us have known for years, the Glastonbury 'mystique' is based more on fantasy than reality.
I mean serioiusly, how is Earl's Court not every bit as soul destroying?
Jay-Z isn't the reason it's not selling out. It's clearly a multitude of factors because one act does not make a festival, headline on Saturday or not.
It is silly to focus on him even if he's lowering the ticket sales.
She mailed me back with the following words:
"Yes, I heard the arrogant little c**t w4nking on about that on the radio this morning. Pompous little idiot. Yes yes Noel, Glastonbury has a tradition of guitar music, that's why you'll never hear any, I don't know, world music or reggae or dance ANYWHERE ON SITE OVER THE WHOLE COURSE OF THE FESTIVAL. Just wall-to-wall guitar music, played by ugly little runts standing perfectly still while churning out uninspired and derivative solos in front of thousands of fat, lurching, beer-sodden louts. Yep, that's the Glastonbury spirit right there. Knob."
*stands up and claps*
It was taking the piss out of Gallagher claiming the festival was just a guitar festival?
is a fine rant!
Part of the problem is that, huge though Jay-Z is in the US, he's not really had many massive crossover hits here (I mean he's been in the charts a few times but there's only a handful of songs that everyone knows...)
I mean surely what a lot of people want in a headliner at Glastonbury is mass singalongs (which is why it tends not to work even if a famous band tries fuckloads of new material.
For example I'm not by any means the world's biggest Radiohead fan but if Radiohead were headlining I'd go alomg, know most of the songs and enjoy it. But with Jay-Z I wouldn't know most of the songs and would probably enjoy it less.
I mean I know this site's obviously full of people who want to hear new music but I think at somewhere like Glastonbury by the time you get to the headline slot you just want a load of songs where you know all the words...
so the staff are helpful, it opens on time and everything works OK?
Orbital have played some of the most memorable sets in Glastonbury history. Underworld? Asian Dub FOundation? Add N to X? Cypress Hill? Fuck's sake; the list of non-indie bands that've played is endless, without even considering the Glade etc.
Noel is a cockspanner.
Underworld were in 1998 I think.
"everyone knows fuckloads of the songs which is basically what people want from a Glastonbury headliner and the precise reason why Jay-Z isn't a great choice for headliner" argument.
I can't stand that whole singalong thing. I'd brefer to rave like a bastard than sing along with some dreary fucker like Rod, Dave, Paul or (god forbid) Eric.
And I suspect people would rather rave like a bastard to songs they knew too...
but yes you're right; I am seemingly in a minority. Alas...
its silly to say people would want a band they dont know to headline
whether they are big fans or not. Jay Z is a bit more specific.
I agree that Jay-Z's not got a big well-known catalogue but I thought this little branch of the discussion was sepcifically about pointing out what a load of tosh it was to claim Glastonbury was all about guitar music?
I'm not even sure that's what Noel Gallagher meant when the original comments are taken into context. From what he's talking about he seems to be against a hip-hop headliner rather than saying there should only be guitar music.
"Glastonbury has a tradition of guitar music and even when they throw the odd curve ball in on a Sunday night you go 'Kylie Minogue?'
I'd say that's pretty explicit about it..
rather than the festival as a whole.
The popularity angle is fair enough but that's not what Noel Gallagher was banging on about.
But that's by the by
Noels are conservative clown like most of his fans
I'm not a massive fan of the hova, they grey album with big pimpin' is ok but look of some of his singles 'excuse me miss' - too commercial, but...
Noel has shown his true colours
Sorry meant to put this here
I class these acts as indie
But that's by the by
Noel has shown his true colours
of music at a music festival...come on!!
Eavis effectively banned all punk, hardcore, metal and anything that rocks more than Editors after those people were crushed to death at Roskilde during a Pearl Jam set.
all those crazy circles pits during Betterman and Elderly Woman Behind The Counter In A Small Town
it might have something to do with Jay Z though. Much as rap fans love him, he's had barely any songs pass over into the mainstream consciousness. In fact, i can't think of any which come close to the ubiquity of any of Kanye's recent material. Now, if they'd got him to do a headliner spot then there wouldn't be anywhere near as much of a hoo-ha, because every man on the street can name and sing along to at least 5 of his songs
But it doesn't just apply to Jay Z. How many of the public at large can name a Kings of Leon song? And, barring Bittersweet and Drug's Don't Work, something similiar could be said about The Verve
not as simple as just this though.
Even I wouldn't have been as dismayed if Kanye had've headlined.
I can honestly say that I couldn't name you anything Jay Z has ever done.
the decision to book Jay-Z in order to 're-connect with the kidz' in the first place is pretty embarrasing.
would be a better way to re-connect with the kidz
and why does 'rap' mean 'connecting' with the kids - 12 year olds like The Horrors probably not rap that mostly men over the age of 26 'dig'
Noel's spot on.
Why aren't I surprised?
a cock - he reckons that his band are actually important.
However, Jay-Z is so wrong for glasto.
It's not a hip-hop thing, just imagine if Jurassic 5 or Dead Prez were headlining... fuckin' awesome. But Jay-Z? The man's as big a prick as Noel.
Maybe the two should just fuck and be done with it.
It is wrong to have Jay-Z play Glasto... the guy is an undoubted talent and maybe (if we're lucky) his misses might come along for the ride. mmmmm, a muddy Beyonce.
I do, however, think that him headlining is not the best idea, simply because people who buy Jay-Z records are less likely to attend such a festival and especially when their is little else in terms of hip hop over the weekend.
HE IZ SO IGNORANTZZ etc etc
people off, the man's a walking advert for how to annoy or sustain belief in his own band. there'll be loads more from him this year, what with a new album in september. if you don't like him or his music, don't waste your time commenting on it, otherwise expect to get pissed off. simple.
He has a sense of humour about the whole business of pop. Shame more artists and fans don't have.
He's made millions off've the back of two pretty decent albums. Why wouldn't he be good-humoured about things?
He still has a tendency to talk absolute nonsense, even if he can be pithily amusing.
Noel Gallagher in 'expressing his usual opinion on matters' shocker.
I don't understand why this is news, other than Noel being the first person in the media to actively have an opinion on the Glasto headliners (no matter whether you agree with it or not).
(sorry for the laziness)
He doesn't give a fuck if he sounds like a 'music tory' or whatever it is you lot call us who don't appreciate music from cultures we just don't understand.
Deep down, every single person in the country knows he's right. But they all tell themselves they disagree, because it makes them feel:
a) open-minded, and proud about not limiting their music tastes to FOUR BORING WHITE BOYS WITH GUITARS
b) accepting towards diversity and other cultures bla bla bla
Noel Gallagher is the prophet.
is an abolute legend
what doesn't come across in my post is that I agree with Noel. In the end people might not like it being said but the cold hard fact is that the majority of the Glasto going crowd do not want to see a rapper headline the festival.
I just object to people getting up in arms over his comments as if he is somehow 'really done it this time'.
'He says what everyone is thinking'
Except he does not, Jay Z ain;t my favourite rapper but he's done some ace stuff, but yeah you'd rather be in a feild listening to Layla, ok
YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEE HIM
THERE ARE OTHER STAGES
HOP HOP HAS BEEN ON BEFORE AS GLASTO
OASIS ARE NO LONGER RELEVANT AND A JOKE
You don;t understand the culture? WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH IT - IT'S MUSIC!
Anyone who wouldn;t go becaus eof Jay Z is an idiot who shouldn;t be there in the first place
Been on net to and some idiots saying bring back Stone Roses or Radiohead.., Oh for the love of God
Why is everyone so bothered I REPEAT FOR LAST TIME, YOU DON;T HAVE TO SEE HIM EVEN IF YOU GO, FUCKS SAKE
he played with a backing band (the roots) rather than a backing track.
The article is kind of misleading especially if you want to read between the lines of the likes of: "Oasis headlined the Pyramid Stage at Glastonbury in 1995 and 2004, with the event selling out on both occasions."
Yes, but back in 1995 particularly, tickets took a LOT longer to sell. That was the one and only year I went. I saw an ad for the festival and sent off for my ticket by posting a cheque...
In 2004, there weren't quite as many festivals as there are now.
Makes him seem sort of cuddly.