My personal thanks goes to the community of DiS for recommending me Relationship Of Command
It's rocks my (insert body part) off. Possibly the most consistently brilliant album I own, if ever an album deserved 10/10 it's this one. Cedric & Omar really know how to write a chorus don't they, even The Mars Volta songs have this quality despite all the wanking around (which I like anyway).
Thank you everyone Xxx
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I have to ask
how the fuck had you managed to not hear (about) this record until your relatively recent arrival here?
Agreed
It received much hype and a very warm reception when it was released.
I've been here over 18 months.
At the time of it's release I wasn't exactly I the know, music wise. I've only been seriously into music for about 4 years. Although for the first 2 years of those 4 I knew very little outside of MTV2, Kerrang and NME.
I'd argue
you been seriously into music for two years then.
By the way, I am not saying Dis = music, I'm saying MTV2, Kerrang and NME doesn't.
Well I considered myself to be seriously into music.
The amount I listened to/talked about music is really all I'm judging it on and all you should judge it on.
quite
!0 years ago that would have been acceptable
But with all the resources we've been blessed with in the last few years, taking musical advice from MTV2 and NME is not good enough.
Would you take anybody seriously if they said I'm really into music, I watch MTV2 and read the NME?
I rest my case.
it depends
if they had been listening to music more and more avidly over the past year, buying music mags most weeks and watching music television a lot in spare time at home, I could quite believe somebody 'being seriously into music'. Everyone starts somewhere, and it's not a tick box chart on the road to being a true music enthusiast.
It's like saying you can't be really into football unless you watch non-league.
^Brilliant analergie
"It's like saying you can't be really into football unless you watch non-league".
Not true
I like football, I'm really into Tottenham.
People who have a passion for the domestic game at all levels (within reason) and the world game are really into football.
Does watching BBC food make me really into cooking? does watching gardeners world make me really in to gardening?
I could go on forever. I would argue if I was really into these things I would do more than watch an awful channel and read an awful rag.
The NME is for 14 year olds who "think" they are really into music.
I can't be bothered to argue with you.
Just read what everybody else says, you're being an elitist prick. Thanks for playing, bye.
you illustrate my point nicely
"Does watching BBC food make me really into cooking?" - if you do a lot of cooking, yes. You don't have to buy really specialist books, or use 100 year old recipes to be really into cooking, you can quite happily watch Jamie Oliver and occasionally catch Delia, buy the accomapanying books and use pretty much just those for a year or so and be 'really into cooking'
"does watching gardeners world make me really in to gardening?" - if you then go into the garden and do some gardening, or even if it just makes you think a lot about gardening, then yes.
Who the hell are you to decide how much someone partakes in a particular activity is needed to qualify for being really into it? If music plays a big part in someone's life, I would say they're really into it, whether their interest starts and ends with the TRL, or whether they hunt out limited pressings of Miles Davis vinyls.
^Thanks
I really couldn't bothered to articulate anything, but well put.
i've just been caught in a
'i can't be fucked to leave my computer but i haven't actually got anything to do on it' kind of mood
I have days like this.
:)
I may be being elitist
The fact is, if somebody came on here and said, "I watch TMF and I read smash hits and I listen to Westlife all the time - I'm really into music", I doubt you would agree.
Maybe you would, but most people on here wouldn't. If you truely believe watching TRL qualifies as being really into music you have problems. If you are really into music and there is something really simple you can do to get access to more music, opinions and discussions about music and you don't do it, then you are not really into music. I'm not talking about hunting down a ltd vinyl, I'm talking about turning on a computer.
This is my point, he might have thought he was really into music but he wasn't.
no, what I am saying is
what you are doing is saying either 'this is music, this isn't' or 'in order to be into music, you must do at least x amount of the following'
There are different ways of enjoying music, and there are different styles of music. Just because someone doesn't adhere to what your take on either of those is doesn't make them 'not into music'. They may be less informed, but it doesn't mean it's less important to them.
Would you really tell someone who said to you 'I really like music', 'no you don't' ? If someone said "I watch TMF and I read smash hits and I listen to Westlife all the time - I'm really into music", I wouldn't disagree, but I probably wouldn't share their musical tastes. Music is an enormous topic.
Yes I would
and I would probably have a discussion like above.
The example I gave is "being really into geting sucked in by marketing" by the way.
I'm saying if you could easily do more but you chose not to, you are not really into it as much as you might like to think.
Why
can't someone be "really into" shit music?
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COUNT
IT HAS NOT PASSED THE REQUIRED PARAMETERS
that's just what you choose to do
other people may have different priorities with their music, such as rounding themselves in it in the first place, or they might be quite happy reading NME and Kerrang, and watching MTV2 for 5 hours a day, without proceeding to internet forums/review sites/whatever. How are they not into music? I do not understand what you are saying, unless you are saying that their music is not 'real' music.
You should show more respect to your elders
If you think reading NME and watching MTV2 qualifies as being really into music, I'll leave you to it.
Apart from the fact that it features about a very narrow spectrum of the musical rainbow and it being really lazy, I don't disagree.
you should read what someone says
plus I'm older n you, nerr nerr.
I am not saying reading NME and watching MTV2 make you really into music. I am saying reading NME and watching MTV2 does not preclude you from being really into music. If you can't understand the difference...
If your profile is accurate then I'm oder than you
you're right, it doesn't preclude but, this is the quote "for the first 2 years of those 4 I knew very little outside of MTV2, Kerrang and NME", that is NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT really into music, so I stand by my initial point.
At this stage I should add I have largely been on the wind up but having said that I am still right.
Bonus points if anybody recognises the recent youtube referrence.
i think you're just too blinkered
which is a shame, there's lots to see outside of that thought tunnel of yours.
1 - there is actually quite a lot on MTV2, Kerrang and NME, it would take a long time to listen to most of what those 3 had to offer, so if you were really really really into music, you'd take ages getting through that
2 - you can be really really really into music (as in enjoy it a lot, think about it a lot, talk about it with friends and so forth) and yet not go beyond MTV2 Kerrang and NME. I don't get what is hard to understand about this. You don't have to go on the internet to be a music enthusiast.
If I watched 5 hours a day of all the premiership matches, and the discussion thereon, I would regard myself as being really into football. A small facet thereof, but football nonetheless.
+1 indie points for you though, with the bonus of +2 for the classic 'I've been on a wind up the whole time' rider.
The correct analogy
would be me saying I'm really into football, when infact, I am really into Spurs.
If you can't see the difference between the relatively narrow range of music in these media and music on the whole you are past help.
He says to somebody "I'm really into music", the person replys "what do you think of Verdi, Stevie Wonder, Fleetwood Mac, Simon and Garfunkle, Ladysmith Black Mabazo, Mozart, Pan Pipes, Mike Oldfield, Bros, Motown, jazz, reggae, bangra etc etc etc for ever". He has no answer.
Yeah but neither do i for a lot of them
beyond just saying i like what ive heard.
Theres a lot of music i do know, and i really like it, and listen to it a lot and am quite often listening to new bands.
The thing you said about the NME, Kerrang and MTV2 is bullshit though. theres a hell of a lot of bands that you could be exposed to through that.
I don't care how many bands
they would all be from similar genre.
Maybe 3 different major styles, all pretty similar in the grand scheme of things.
So what?
Just because someone is into a particularly style of music, rather than a lot means they cant claim to be really into music?
By that logic no one could claim to be into music as they dont like Lithuian Nose Flute music and Chiliean Hip Hop
Thank you
at last we are getting somewhere.
seriously that is bullshit
if someone's really into commerical pop music on TMF they're still really into music just not the same music as you.
The idea that people who like music lots of others like means they're not into music is bizarrely wanky.
just as that
was bizarrely inartiulate. But you get my point...
unlike my posts
^5
Exactly
jako_kenako - 4 million words, 70000 posts, no direction
connelltheking - about 100 words, sums it up nicely.
I still don't believe in the monarchy though.
...
If you like Tottenham, you can't really be into football then, can you?
Zing!
Sly old stealthy
Very witty quip there.
What I meant was I am not "really" into football, in a general sense, but I like it. For example, I watch match of the day, I watch live games sometimes.
But when it comes to Tottenham, I go a bit further, maybe to the point that I am really into Tottenham.
If that's the music they liked then yes.
I was happy with the music I was listening to. I didn't know about any other music at the time but I the amount I listened to/talked about music indicates that I was.
Then I got bored and started to feel the need to expand my music knowledge and find new bands, hence I discovered DiS.
That's incredibly elitist
I'm sure your music taste has not been impeccable for the whole of your music listening years.
so noone
who listened to music in the days before all these fantastic new resources blessed us was 'seriously into music'?
Idiot.
oh wait,
just read the subject of your post abou it being acceptable.
still, your sentiment remains iditoic.
*sigh*
'One Armed Scissor' has been on MTV2 and Kerrang
with fibre-heavy regularity for about 5 years!
Well I probably heard it then forgot I did.
I had definitely heard One Armed Scissor at this pub I sometimes go to but I didn't know who it was by, I was pleasantly surprised when I bought the album.
It couldn't of been played that much, I live on MTV2 before I discovered DiS.
especially the amount he bangs on about The Mars Volta
surely listening to a band you bang on about so much's older band's material is a natural inclination that doesn't merit a recommendation?
recommendation didn't come from me
...so i can't accept your thanks
same here
except replace 'Relationship Of Command' with 'Why?'
Aw
you should have done one of those live-blogging album listen things like LordLucius did with Crooked Rain last week.
Thanks.
I had nothing to do with this, but anyone who finds ATD-i and so humbly admits they were missing this band from their life needs recognition.
Honestly, I cannot imagine my music collection with Relationship of Command and Acrobatic Tenement. in/casino/out is still to break the barrier though.
I need to get Acrobatic Tenement.
I've got in/casino/out but every time I think to play it I end up putting ROC on instead. I've probably only got through 2 full listens. :)
woah
acrobatic tenement over in/casino/out?
just crazy. i mean, fair enough, but... wow.
I also got this album
based on everyone on here going on about how great it is.
It's pretty special :)
This thread makes
me feel far older than a 23 year old should feel
This thread makes me feel older than a 26 year old should feel
it seems ages ago when it was out.
p.s. also get Vaya.
This thread makes me feel ostricised
*ostrich-eyed
Me too
This clip reminds me of why I got into music as a teenager:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZagV69HujUY
Absolute classic. "Right lads, this is our big break on mainstream telly. Shall we tone it down a bit?"
I remember
seeing this with my dad when it was aired. They cut to Van Morrison sitting with Jools when ATDi finished and both Van "The Man" and my Dad wore the exact same expression of befuddlement. I, on the other hand, had soiled my teenage self with excitement.
haha i remember not getting it at all
being about 13 or something when it was on. Its amazing lookig back now
Literally couldn't agree more
Although I'm 24
True
I remember buying this when I was 16/17 ish after my mate had leant me 'Vaya'.
Still one of the only albums from my youth that I listen to today.
I'll never forget hearing
One Armed Scissor on Radio 1, and thinking the world had turned upside down.
It was a very brief inversion, apparently.
I envy people who knew about this band when they were 15/16.
I'm 21 and I've only recently got into them, although I think I was a late developer as far as music is concerned anyway.
i've had the album since it came out
but i'm afraid i've never thought of it as anything more than 'fine'. I wish i understood the love.
Really, I'm surprised at you Alistair.
First you say you like Alanis Morissette and now this, I can't even look at you right now.
Have you listened to it recently? Give it another try, Cedric & Omar would want you to.
i tried a few weeks back.
i don't dislike it, i just don't think it's up to anything special.
Add in my ambivalence towards Turn On The Bright Lights and you're going to treat me like a nemesis
YOU SHOULD HAVE REMINDED ME OF YOUR OPINIONS ON T.O.T.B.L!!!
I think it's best that we just ignore each other form now on.
Or maybe I should just find some more of your music to hate, recommend me something I wont like that you do.
The Perceptionists
Eyedea & Abilities, Giant Panda, People Under The Stairs, El-P, Cannibal Ox, Clipse, GZA, Blackalicious, The Herd, Muph + Plutonic
(if i recall correctly you don't like hip-hop?)
Yeah thanks.
On a serious note I should probably hear some hip-hop that's not so mainstream, I've heard very little. It's quite possible that the reason I don't like hip-hop is that most of the stuff I've heard is shit.
I concur
on both fronts. Maybe I'm too old and have heard too much far, far better music.
^ exactly this
apart from the old part - i'm not old
All right
Don't rub it in.
don't worry gramps, you've only 8 years on me :p
I got into them 3 years ago
and missed them completley. I was too buys listening to Travis, Starsailor et al back then. My musical taste has evolved into a very different beast now.
Yep I liked my Travis and Starsailor.
I still find that first Starsailor album to amazing
though Travis can get to fuck.
I was 16 when I bought this album...
changed everything.
k putting this on
for the first time in ages.
Forgotten how brilliant it is.
TMV are better though :P
*something about the terrible, terrible production*
You mean the good production?
Listening to Acrobatic Tenement makes me want them to remaster it.
no, i imagine he means
the standard over-compressed ross robinson production hatchet job.
fAN-FUCKING-TASTIC ALBUM
Absolutely timeless.
And 'An album I will always go back to'
;-D
I haven't
listened to this all the way through for a while.
Might do that soon.
I'll go out on a limb and say...
This album changed music.
If you were 16-19 when this album came out you basically shit yourself. If you didn't you probably liked trance or ska.
^ i was 14, not into trance or ska
and thought the same of it then as i do now: fine, but nothing more.
How?
I was admittedly older than the range you suggest but I don't get how.
Anyone?
Is anyone able to justify this comment? Hello?
How did it change music...
This is all a bit flippant but this is the DIS message board so...
I would say every few years a record come along and grabs a bunch of people who listen to mainstream music and pulls them into the underground.
Maybe it changes culture more than music. ATD-I impacted on the British music scene (I would imagine more than in America) in a big way and inspired a lot of people to go and find out what else is out there and the effect snowballs.
Musical landscape is then changed by a bunch of people having something new to aspire to and create music of their own.
How is this NOT changing music.
But
it didn't do it on a big scale. I mean, ATDI are no R.E.M. or Nirvana. Ask a lot of people out there and they won't even have heard of ATDI.
Also, I bet there's an even larger number of people who are into cool music (let's not have another debate in this thread about what that means) on whom ATDI had no effect whatsoever, i.e. those people just thought "meh".
I don't think the fact that 'Relationship of Command' had a big effect on a (fairly small) proportion of British popular music listeners qualifies it as having "changed music". There also aren't that many bands with high profiles around these days who are obviously ATDI influenced.
For me, "changed music" goes far beyond that.
aaaah
watching that jools clip was amazing. i love this album so much. this and deloused are two of the finest albums in my collection wothout doubt.
what other tunes did they play on that jools? anyone remember?
There's a really good version
of "Rolodex Propaganda" that's also on YouTube, though a bit trickier to find. It features Cedric on guitar and Omar doing Iggy's vocal parts.
It's ace.
I don't think they
played any others unfortunately.
There are a few on Youtube
one where the guitar is well out of tune. I can't access Youtube in work but I have them favourited, so find me (username: sheeldz) and you can find them.
Actually, that one might be Rolodex Propaganda but hey.
They played
Rolodex Propaganda too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_lXPrCpSVE
I stand
corrected!
Never saw them live
I couldn't get tickets for a couple of London shows, and then they decided to break up. I'd give quite a lot to see them live.
I had Tickets to see them in Cardiff
and the day before the gig...they announced they'd split up...that is the very defenition of gutted.
Me too!
I held on to my ticket for over a year afterwards before finally admitting to myself that they weren't getting back together.
I wish I'd kept the ticket instead of taking it back now though.
Fortunately...
I managed to see them at Camden and then the Astoria. Awe-inspiring, although they were incredibly tetchy about people 'slam-dancing'. At the Astoria in particular they trashed their instruments at the end and it seemed that all was not well.
Was a real shame the the crowd had an amazing time but the band didn't share in the experience. Most acts would kill to be able to incite that kind of passion. The direction that the Mars Volta took actually made a lot of sense after seeing ATD-I just before their implosion.
I would like to extend an identical thanks
for the introduction by DiSsers of 'McClusky Do Dallas' into my life. Ta.
Now
that is a waaaay better record than Relationship of Command. Hands down.
You're so wrong
...
But
it has more melody, better riffs, funnier (and less painfully cryptic) lyrics and just generally better songs. It's a much better listening experience to my ears.
relationship of command is all well and good...
...but you need to snap up their backcatalogue until you get to 'in casino/out'. truly the most fiery, flamboyant track of them all.
absolutely amazing stuff.
get this...many moons ago i had the chance to go see at the drive-in if it wasn't for the idiocy and music inadequacy of the owner of my local music venue. he had a tape dropped through his door advertising the band, he turned round and said they were pants, next week, they appeared on the nme cover. great hey?
dean x
Vaya
Get it now!!!!!!! Rascuache is possibly their best song, much better than the remix on the best of album
At the drive-in and biffy clyro
were my bridge's into the music i listen to now, i prefer in casino out to acrobatic tenement, still roc is one of the best albums i own, extracurricular is one of the greatest songs ever to be released.
I didn't even get into Biffy Clyro until about 8-10 months ago.
They're one of my favourite bands now. I must have lived a sheltered childhood.
i got out of Biffy when they released Puzzle.
They were good for 5 years.
I remember getting this...
When I was 14, ATD-I were all over radio one (Invalid Litter Dept was A listed!) crazy times. I've gone back to it a couple of times since but I don;t think its stands up so well, as someone says it's a touch over produced and I don;t think it stands up well against its peers of that/this era. Vaya is a better record - better hooks and a bit rawer.
I agree Vaya is a better record
it's probably my favourite release of theirs. But I still love Relationship... and constantly revisit.
I listened this morning
for the first time in a while. Still as great as ever :D
This thread is horrific in parts.
I only listened to this record for the first time about 12 months ago. I don't much care for it. I feel that neither of these points are sufficient for anyone in the world to say that I 'don't like music enough' or whatever because of this.
Glad you like it though. Now buy Diary by Sunny Day Real Estate.
^
each to their own, but i think one day you will put it on and it will just make sense. I had it for about 6 months before really geting into it.
what if i've had it for 7 years
and still think it's decidedly average?
i loved it at first
(still talking about ROC right?) then it just got a bit stale.for me anyway.some of the points raised in this thread are ridiculous.i hate people sometimes
Don't thank me
I think it's dull.
jako_kenako is fast becoming my favourite DiSser
One more thread about tea and I'm going to marry him.
I might even have a spare Nick cave ticket
I actually might, my mate's got an interview.