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anyone go? Our attempts at heckling and over-enthusiasm failed miserably at the front.
I left after 4 or 5 magicians.
no one else on dis would see them FOR A SECOND TIME.
yeah it was like. WHY ISNT THIS PERSON HERE
i think we played quite well. apart from me totally fucking up most of the loud noise bits.
also shame the venue are a complete bunch of bandits.
the special relationship were ace though, and really nice guys.
any constructive criticisms? or non-constructive?
you talk more about how the venue are complete shysters. i've heard many things...
the boiler room.
but, you get a quid off yr noodles!?
Luke is a big fan of yours.
who work really hard and put up with alot to provide a decent venue
and from talking on a non-business level to them, they all seemed like nice guys, and i'm not doubting the fact they work very hard, but it seems to me they are one of these venues where they have let business take over both their mind and their soul. Particularly their policy on paying bands. But it was a good show, and The Special Relationship were nice enough to sort us out with their share as well as ours so we had a bit of money to put towards petrol!
or another chain, they spent thousands converting it into a venue and probably wont break even for a long time so it is understandable they are business like, as far as paying bands isnt it like most places based on how many people you draw and set out in the contract before hand
On this tour we have generally been booked because we are a good band and are guaranteed enough money by the promoter / venue to get us to the next show though. The amount of people we may or may not bring doesn't even come into it.
That's fine if they want to run it like a business, and I'm sure it is just the same as a lot of other places, but its not a way of operating I like, or agree with.
But like I say, it was a good show. Everyone there seemed to enjoy our set. Which is why I don't agree with the "who have you come to see" thing!
C'est la vie.
but didnt you know the deal in advance or did they guarantee money and not pay up or what?
find a driver for the end of the week?
I could only take 3 or 4 magicians in a row...
but I've only just read it, and feel I should really respond to it - I was on tour at the time.
Basically like I said above - its fair enough that you run your venue like a business, and as I admitted, it does appear very well run, and I genuinely liked the venue - good sound, nice decor , good crowd space etc. and I would recommend it to any band who has lots of friends who will go and see them to go and play there.
I'm also under no illusions regarding the booking - yes, we did accept the gig through another band, and yes, they did explain to me a rough idea of your payment policy beforehand, and even though we were pretty disgusted by the cut of the door you were allocating the bands, we still accepted the gig as we wanted to play with The Special Relationship, and didn't really expect to get paid much as a result. The "bandit" comment may have been a little unfair, it was a throwaway comment and I apologise, as like I say, on face value you seemed like a nice, personable chap, but still - your payment system is not one I agree with in the slightest, and had the gig not been with a band I like who wanted us to come and play, I wouldn't have accepted the show, and would have kept my opinions to myself and left you to get on with it.
The thing that grates with me though is the fact that you play the "its my day job" card. Right now I don't have a job AT ALL so I can concentrate on the band. We usually get paid about £50 a gig, which between 4 people is absolutely nothing - just enough to eat and get to the next show, but I'm content with doing this as it is better than not playing at all, and gets us around without making a loss. But to be paid nothing (or whatever it was you worked out for us - £7 or something ridiculous) when there were 70 people in the venue paying £5 ... it massively disappoints me. Yeah - maybe we didn't directly bring in more than about seven or eight people to the gig ourselves - but we are an unmanaged, unsigned, and totally self-financing band. The way we gain fans / support is by playing live shows in new places. And unless I'm going absolutely mad, there seemed to be about 60 of those 70 people intently watching, enjoying, and enthusiastically appluading our set. I had about fifteen people I had never met before talk to me individually to say how much they enjoyed it. But none of their money gets to us? I would have been quite happy (or at least not pissed off) with £30 from this gig just to get along to the next show, and as it was we got £22 as The Special Relationship gave us their share too, so it wasn't a complete disaster, but to be told (not even by you, by the other band) we were getting £7 out of what must have been about £350 taken on the door (not to even start with bar takings for the night!), it doesn't add up to me. I'd be interested to find out (though obviously am not asking for you to actually tell me) how much you paid OK Tokyo who appeared to bring even fewer people than us. I don't begrudge them a penny as they are a hard-working touring band like us, and I'm sure they pre-arranged payment, where we didn't. But I'm sure its not too wild an assumption that if I had tried to pre-arrange payment, you would have re-iterated your payment policy, and told us to get lost if we asked for a guarantee of £50 (which we got as a minimum from every other venue / promoter on tour apart from one last minute booking).
If you didn't pay OK Tokyo anything either, then I'd very much like to know where the rest of that £350 went, which at most places, would have totally gone to the bands. I don't know the ins and outs of your business, obviously, but I know plenty of venues around the country that appear to have the same basic set up as yours that survive just fine while paying the entire door money to the bands, and those venues that don't, give the bands a much bigger cut than £1 per ticket sold per specific attendee!
But I guess if bands are happy to play for you then you're all good, and I wish you the best of luck. There are no hard feelings from me. People have to have a job, and this is yours. However, as a member of a band, who essentially you rely on for your livelihood (as we do you - it is a two way thing) I am disappointed.
This is all. I reiterate my belief that The Boileroom is a genuinely good music venue, and do not dispute the fact that the management have worked hard to make it so. I just wanted to respond to make my position fully clear. Thanks.
at the door we were asked which band we came to see and i dont think that many came to see you. (sorry, not that many people know who you are). But the boileroom is ace and its the only place we've got. I swear most of the people there were in the other bands playing too. maybe it was just me.
it must be well weird putting on a night, then standing at the door asking the customer which band they've come to see. If someone has come to see two bands, does the money get split between the two bands? What about if someone has come for no one in particular?
Anyway, I reckon all payment should be pre-arranged and expenses should be given as a guarantee (unless a band has willingly decided to drive down from Aberdeen or somewhere).