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boxcutter - glyphic is pretty good.
its a pretty shit genre. Whenever you have a genre that's "defined" by so many "strict" rules, it not only breeds a lot of really dull music but also a lot of really dull people. All the "dubstep people" i've met have been fairly dull.
Still enjoy a bit occasionally but, y'know... Bit silly to talk about it as if it's not something that's been invented by an elitist sect of the electronic music community.
How can a genre be defined by strict rules in any sense?
so the genre is fucked really.
i'd like to be proved wrong.
there's bunches of annoying kids going round claiming they love dubstep now, its the new DnB.
It'll be bloody difficult topping "Untrue", but its possible. Benga's album got close, Scuba's album sounds like it'll compete.
Like any genre you're gonna get people just following the rules to make obvious, boring songs. But i think dubtep has a lot of potential. It's the only electronic music that has excited me lately anyway
Underwater Dancehall, its pretty good!
could only be loosely classified as dubstep.
There is definitely a divide in Dubstep as some of it is created for the dancefloor (Benga, Kode9) and some for listening at home (Boxcutter, Burial).
I dont think the rules for dubstep are very strict really. Obviously it has to have a set tempo as with any genre of dance music, but influences on the actual music are varied from reggae/dub to techno.
There is a lot of dubstep flying about, but to experience it properly I think you need to go to a dubstep club night, where the music is played on a decent system with plenty of sub-bass, as its produced with that in mind. Plus you'll see what a great aggro free vibe there usually is.
I dont think there is much elitism going around, no more than with any genre of music, and as with most types of 'dance' music, it's all about having a good time.
and the rules are pretty strict. just remember when untrue came out, people were arguing over whether it was dubstep or not as opposed to whether it's just good music or not. Totally dull.
and theres the whole ragga influence on it which undoubtedly produces embarrassing white dreadlocks people.
at the dubstep events i've been to in Leeds or London. Obviously you're gonna get a few of them where ever you go, asking you for Rizla's or if you have any pills...
its boring unless you are smashed of your face in my opinion, in which case it goes from boring to... just about acceptable.
Also it is predominantly liked by pricks.
I think people are just thinking of the obvious club-style dubstep. Listen to the more creative producers and you'll see theres a lot more to it then just loud bass.
my best friend at uni who likes virtually all the same music as me also likes dubstep. If you could let me know who the more creative producers are i could tell you if i have heard them.
If you dont like any of them, then obviously dubstep is not for you...
Benga-'Diary Of An Afro Warrior'
Kode 9 & The Spaceape-'Memories Of The Future
Give them a go. Obviously its all subjective though, i just think theres some really good dubstep out there, and if people are enjoying it then there must be something to it.
its really not my thing and i dont begrudge people liking it... i just find it so hard to contain my boredom when i go to nights that play dubstep... so it may be i have an irrational dislike
is ace, too.
it's all the label's 12"s on two CDs, and only a tenner. worth it for ricardo villalobos' eighteen (18!) minute mix on shackleton's "blood on my hands" alone.
I hear he sometimes plays dubstep in his sets. I hope he does some European festivals this year
he's gota be one of the best DJ's around along with Ritchie Hawtin. I'm sure he will be doing Sonar and every where in Ibiza.
Did you go to the Minus Records night at Fabric? I think it was on Friday... I really wanted to go, but none of my friends like that kinda music, only dubstep these days.
It was freakin awsome. I live up North so don't get to Fabric as much as I would want to. I love the minimal stuff every one cheering at the slightest change in sound hehe.
I just really wanted to go to that. What other minimal are you listening too? I recently heard the Trentmoller Chronicles (I dont know how old it is..) and thought it was amazing. I think he is playing in Manchester some time soon.
of lotsa minimal cos I ran outa cash to buy records hehe. I genrally just get CD's and mp3s sent from my step bro who does some good minimal mixes.
there's a Minus night coming up on October 18th at SEOne, should be cool (just realised how JAG-like this post seems but hey ho):
Minimal techno and all that mixing with Dubstep it would mix it up a little.
I think there a lot of potentially good crossover stuff, as both genres are heavily dependant on tight drum samples. Especially stuff like Villalobos, Trentemoller and techy dubstep like anything from the Skull Disco label.
could maybe do with a bit of cross polination. I would use Dubstep records as a like breakdown in the minimal set just to space every one out a little then pound them again with the techno.
A mate of mine is trying to do that, and i think it works quite well from what i've heard. Dodgy production but i actually like the ideas
Is incredible...Last year at Exit was slightly overwhelming. Magda had a tough act to follow.
mix is one of the most oppressive and gripping electronic/techno/dubstep/minimal whatever releases Ive heard in years
Vex'd and Boxcutter
the vex'd album is ace. it was probably the first dubstep album i bought, about three years ago.
it does sound a tad primitve compared to some of the newer stuff (like rza's beats on 36 chambers compared to, say, 8 diagrams) but still good. cold, dark and heavy as.
Burial - Untrue
Boxcutter - Glyphic
are awsome records and I dont think many dubstep fans will argue even if they aint dubstep. I wana hear more Shackleton I have an amazing remix done by Richardo Villalobos of one of his tunes its epic and really dark I love it.
great minds ^
or do you write ^5 on the internet to make it shorter. What a beast of a tune that is.
definitely. i feel a bit dirty using ^ too much. it's a slippery slope. next it'll be u, 2, tbh, lolz, and then before you know it, you're it text speak hell.
jimi: "my name is jimi, and i'm a textspeakoholic"
group: "hi, jimi"
untrue could be THE definining record of UK garage/dubstep music.
there's something very pure about Burial - music for the sake of music and no loving or ego. Just purely releasing great music.
Burial is awsome I can't pick a falt in it. I love that Burial is anonamus. Just keep on spankng out them sounds for the love of it, it's beautiful.
there's great records and not so great records. To call the genre 'shit' is just plain stupid as there's some incredible music in the genre.
can't agree more. as with - probably - most genres, people worry about the rules, the people who like it, or how long you have before "the hipsters" take over.
me, i like lying on my bed, mashed, listening to a good album.
i'm not complex, innit.
'Not So Manic Now', 'Cathedral Park' and their cover of 'St Swithin's Day' by Billy Bragg were brilliant.
is very good
havnt heard pinch's yet, Benga's is good, not quite as good as i thought it would be. i don't think i'l ever get tired of untrue.
there's a lot of music which I don't like which is indebted to music I do like.
However I do like some dubstep (although i'm not a huge fan of most dnb or jazz i've heard (sorry)).
is pretty much taking bits n bobs from dubstep and puting it with loadsa stuff and taking things forward in my opinion ace stuff.
what's faster than that? D'n'b, breakcore... Gabba? 140 is actually relatively fast compared to hip-hop, disco, house, techno...
Hadn't heard of BTR - quality.