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the NME is a terrible publication.
whoop di do.
also: reprinting letters marked "private & confidential" and "not for publication"? very fishy. i hope the NME reprint these now.
when, surprise surprise, it looks like they're indeed trying to be 'gritty' and 'journalistic' for once in reaction to everyone thinking they're a joke nowadays, and forgot that morrissey likes suing people.
they took this line without knowing what the response would be.
first though... they'll look at that first and then sort out the rest later.
i wonder what the front page headline is? i wouldn't put 'MORRISSEY HATES BLACKS' past them
I award myself some form of special sub-editor prize.
It's impossible to say "NME" without using the word "Cunts" immediately afterwards. Try for yourself, it just doesn't sound right.
At least Tim Jonze had the balls to distance himself from what was written by NME.
I'm intrigued. I'd really like to see Jonze's original words as well.
I liked the accusation that McNicholas was trying to make a name for himself. It seems weird that this magazine that has done nothing but dumb down and go rainbow coloured with its child-like design would try to tackle racist/inflammatory views (if there were any ever) seriously - more likely they just want to stir up some controversy and get people talking about this issue. They're the same magazine that make a big deal of colour with regards to bands. When Bloc Party first came out they dwelled entirely on Kele being black.
It's basically about how there is no British identity anymore because of immigrants. Pretty standard middle-aged Briton comments really. He also says that it's not a racist opinion but just a matter of fact. He should have known better to tell such things to the NME!
what does he care?
are so inflammatory, why not just put them in anyway? If Jonze's original interview managed to get Morrissey to say things that aren't 'politically correct', then that should be enough - job done by Jonze. Without having seen the article it's difficult to say what's occurred but, if the original comments aren't that nice then why not let the reader make up their own mind rather than trying to hang him themselves? Maybe run the Jonze article and then put an editorial leader or something?
Dunno. I love idle internet speculation.
pretty stupid. and he doesnt even live here anymore, so he's clearly talking rubbish. not that the nme hasn't loved exploiting that to the full extent they could.
those words that are the cover, then this is probably the stupidest thing he's ever done. far too similar to Enoch Powell in the wording.
i want to defend him but in this case it seems a bit too much of a struggle. he says idiotic things, nme get excited, they pump it up to make some money.
but he is stupid for thinking he could use those words, in that order, in any context and NOT have the NME cut it up to suit whatever story they wanted to sell
oh dear not again - they've made him into their benign racist uncle.
'Oh bloody hell, here comes Uncle Stephen with that damned Jim Davidson video again. Everybody hide!'
the nme are trying to recall the years when the magazine was politically righteous by just getting the guy from bloc party and one of the jing jang jong to say 'racism is pretty rubbish' and giving away a few remix cds.
a bit of a twat and putting letters marked "not for publication" online isn't particularly professional, but the NME do have a reputation for doing this. Plus, if I had a list of people I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire, Conor McNicholas would most definitely be on it
i imagine what's happened here is that morrissey said/done something he probably shouldn't have done (a la the union jack thing, really), which jonze was quite happy to wash over but mcnicholas wasn't.
morrissey probably isn't a racist, but like most people his age he has some entrenched views that others could consider questionable, and on top of that he's spent a decade living abroad so he's probably pretty far removed from real life in the UK in 2007. mcnicolas wants a higher profile for himself and his magazine, and has been show in the past to have few qualms or morals in trying to achieve this. basically, they're all a bunch of twats.
Pompous, dumb comment displaying your prejudices and ignorance.
on ethnic and cultural identity in modern Britain and the seminars would often just descend into pointless semantic debates because its such an easy topic to trip well-meaning and perfectly enlightened people up on. I'd be interested in knowing exactly what Morrissey said.
I think I actually hate the NME, in the literal sense of the word.
that when the NME first turned on Mozza re The Finsbury Park Madness support slot, their sales (then half a million) took an ever plummeting nosedive to the paltry 60,000 it is now, being the result of 'Big Mouth's' loyal fanbase. Go figure.
this sort of thing will have anything like that effect - even if that conspiracy theory is complete bunkum.
I'd be interested to know how many NME readers bought the last Morrissey album. I'd wager it's really not that many at all.
I wonder how much of their readership from about 10-15 years ago they've retained?
when they have him on the cover they sell more than with any other artist. i think its something like 30-40% more copies in a week they have him on.
that somewhere ages ago though)
hardcore morrissey fans are mental.
shall i bring southpaw grammar to ATP??!?!?
I lost any respect for Morrissey about 5 years ago, but still.
little indie-schmindie turd. What a complete wanker, and as Sumnmers says above, its so pathetic to see him try and hark back to when the magazine was relevant - albeit also completely false in its allegations then.
...fighting the battle of who could care less..."
when Morrissey first had the charge of 'racism' levelled at him.
As anyone who knows of the Madstock debacle will tell you this ridiculous allegation was based on:
1) Morrissey appearing on stage wrapped in the union flag. (Racist? No.)
2) An image of two female skinheads behind the stage (Racist? No.)
3) The presence of some skinheads in the audience. They were there to see Madness and had bugger all to do with Morrissey. (Racist? No.)
Doubtless the presence of the national flag in any context whatsoever is enough to upset the usual pricks from the more reactionary quarters of the Guardian's readership, but, this was hardly grounds for charges of racism.
15 years on, I still listen to The Smiths/Morrissey on a very frequent basis, but, I haven't bought the NME with any regularity since 1995. Ironically, the only occasions upon which I do purchase it are when Morrissey is on the cover!
The NME is a joke, Conor McNicholas is a cunt and I can't wait to see Morrissey at the Roundhouse in January.
was that he played up to the Madness fanbase, which was quite obviously steel-toe bovver boys with a BNP fixation. Or some of them were, anyway. And should he have done this? This argument has been had a zillion times though, so there's no need to tread old ground :)
This time he's actually said stuff. It's all about how much the NME are using his words to flog copies of the magazine, and how much they've twisted what he said. Did Tim Jonze duck what Morrissey said, or did Conor Whatsit highlight it unfairly?
I love this shit.
to see if Tim Jonze publishes the full transcripts of the interview(as he seems fairly freelance) or Morrissey for that matter as he tapes all interviews himself!
It is pure gold though!
and I'll be off to read the article in just a minute.
I suspect that as has already been suggested they have just gone i for a massively over the top reaction to the comments of a typical middle aged man.
You can disapprove of immigration without being a racist, just as you can be a racist whilst not being particularly bothered about immigration.
I remember this irritating girl at Reading 2004 who was repeatedly yelling 'RACIST!' at the beginning of Morrissey's headline set. Upon being told to shut-up, by an Asian guy(!) she swithced to 'QUEER!' which still ranks as at once the most hilarious and stupidest spectacle that I have ever witnessed.
Do the 15 year old Twang fans that read NME even know who he is?
They'll most likely note the lack of stickers this week and go and get something else instead.
Noel Gallagher plays Union Jack guitar
Morrissey was just a little too early for the revival of patriotism or faux-patriotism as pop culture phenomenon.
that he was flaunting an actual FLAG, as silly as that sounds.
No harm in that really.
If he'd turned up in Klan robes and waved a confederate battle flag around I would have understoof the resulting furore.
Morrissey's comments (bearing in mind the publication is question) are probably ill-advised, but at worst are Conservative and at best ambiguous. there is NO element of racism in expressing a legitimate Conservative view on immigration. if he'd come out with the BNP-style 'kick 'em out' esque policy, fair enough, vilify him - BUT HE DOES NOT!
For what its worth, I think Morrissey's views on immigration are wrong in a political sense, but then I imagine i'm much more left-leaning than Morrissey is.
This an absurd hatchet job attempting to use Moz v. NME to boost flagging sales, because lets face it, we've seen Larrikin love, Hope of the States etc split up, because the NME over the last 18 months has almost entirely plugged garbage. the scene they've created can't sell mags, so instead theyve CREATED a dispute
Well done NME, you're the musical equivalent of The Sun.
: Well done NME, you're the
: musical equivalent of
: The Sun
every weds I see a guy who reads two publications at the bus stop and on the bus to work - the nme and the sun.
and am not an idiot. You lot are such a bunch of fucking cliches.
You probably aren't, but what the hell posesses you to read such crap?
its probably conor mcnicholas
who isnt a guffy 14 year old indie child copying eveyone else.
In fairness, I'd be pretty pleased with myself. But I'm a git. What did they say to him?
Mark Beaumont gave him a power wedgie while James Jamm hid his satchel.
"has been tarred with the racist badge a few times before"
yes, by the NME.
anyone that's actually read the article. you lot go and stand on the left.
hands up anyone that's made assumptions about what it says/how it's been presented/shadowy editorial policies without actually reading all of the article in the magazine and are just bringing your deep-seated hatred for the NME out in public. again. you lot got stand on the right.
you guys on the left: make the wanker sign at those on the right, then make your own minds up about Morrissey.
you guys on the right: you're all wankers.
Thats the cool gang, right?
The bit that hasn't judged the NME as a whole, and has said that they're waiting to read it, but also LOVES mindless conjecture about stuff?
that have previously read the NME and has seen it use similar tactics time and time and again so resent such woefully inaedquate, prattish categorisation?
I've not read this particular article but have been thoroughly unimpressed with the numerous other articles I've read since McNicholas become editor. Should I therefore not have an opinion on broader 'shadowy editorial policies'?
join bamos! The Third Way!
Everyone on the right to Borders at lunchtime to read it. See you there in five mins.
Which direction do I have to go to? There isn't any hazing, is there?
Fuck! I'm not supposed to be here.
a scan of the interview yet?
if Morrissey had released a worthwhile record in the last 10 years.
As he has nothing more to say in music, I'm guessing he has nothing more to say in interviews...
and in that they were basically accusing John Lydon of racism, based on the fact that he said he would vote conservative or other conservative policies. NME claim to be anti racism, which obviously anyone intelligent enough would support, but by linking conservatism with racism they are just doing everyone a disservice.
Rumor - Morrissey in NME skin storm again?
posted by davidt on Friday November 16 2007, @10:00AM
An anonymous person writes:
I have it in good faith that Morrissey was interviewed by the NME recently to promote a free 7 inch single being offered with each copy of the music paper. However, for whatever reason,the NME have withdrawn the issue of the free cd and are currently considering whether or not to publish the interview. What reasons could they have for not publishing as Morrissey has had the offer of retracting his statements and declined this offer?
Re:NME's Morrissey interview - facts
It is correct that we did have discussions with the NME to include a 7" single with the forthcoming cover story as Morrissey was keen to give everyone some new music in 2007.
Alas as Conor has pointed out that has not been possible as we are still finalizing details of the new record deal and simply ran out of time before the deadline to press the vinyl.
Merck Mercuriadis (Moz's manager)
NME's Morrissey interview - facts
I'm posting here to silence the noise and kill some untruths that have been published as rumour.
Yes, NME does have an exclusive interview with Morrissey about to be published. It's currently planned to be on sale on the 28th November in the UK (this is tbc). It was triggered by Morrissey's new solo dates and the plans in place for a new record contract and given our great relationship with Moz you'd expect us to be first.
I did have a discussion with Morrissey's management about doing a 7" single on the cover (as we published this year with both The White Stripes and Babyshambles.) We had agreed to make this happen but have been unable to do so because the decision on Morrissey's record label has yet to be resolved - it can't be put out on a new label when Morrissey doesn't yet have a new label.
Anything else published as rumour and conjecture is just that - unsubstantiated noise.
Greetings from the UK.x
-- Editor of NME, Conor McNicholas.
[N.B. If you want to know how to get hold of a copy of NME magazine then go to www.nme.com.]
NME Editor -- Friday November 16 2007, @03:54PM (#284545)
So the huge boost in sales they expected from the 7" didn't come through and they are pissed off at the record company. How else to generate similar sales without the giveaway?
STIR UP SOME POINTLESS MOZ-TROVERSY
and its as i expected. he doesn't come across quite as badly as i thought, although i'll say from the start that i really do disagree with some of his opinions, which i think are down to being out of the country too long.
he basically says that he feels that british identity has been lost, and he feels that there was something quaint and nice about this identity that he really liked. he says that other european countries seem to have hung on to their specific culture, but britain hasn't really, and he says one of the major reasons is the large amount of immigration which has changed the culture too quickly for many people to understand or like. (he also includes the fact that people dont trust the government and other bits in his reasoning of why he doesnt like britain anymore)
he says that he thinks immigration is basically a good idea, and that obviously he's not racist, but that he thinks that regarding the AMOUNT of immigration: 'the gates are flooded', which isn't exactly that rare of an opinion (though i disagree with it).
the problem is that 'the interviewer' decides to use that jumpoff point as an excuse to:
a) bring up bengali in platforms again. they think its still racist, moz doesn't. a pretty pointless debate
b) conflate two sentences from different parts of the interview for that cover quote. 'the gates are flooded' comes from one part of the dicussion, on how there's been too much immigration for the country to handle. 'the countrys been thrown away' comes from a completely different part regarding the bit i spoke about up there re: how people haven't hung on to 'englishness'.
the nme conflating those two parts makes it sound a bit worse than it is. the nme cover's 'oh no not again' is pretty accurate considering he didn't actually say the phrase "the gates are flooded, the countrys been thrown away"
by the end of the interview it basically comes down to him saying that he thinks that extensive immigration is a problem, and the nme basically refusing to answer with anything but 'you're sounding quite racist', 'thats very racist', 'thats pretty offensive'.
by the end its come down to 'we at the nme, heads of the love music hate racism campaign, think that morrissey probably doesnt meant to be as racist as he sounds, but we're frankly not willing to discuss it in depth, he must be a racist', which is the sort of dismissive, non debating attitude that only causes feelings of supposed injustice to grow, and only makes the nme sound self-righteuous and pompous.
by the time i'd finished i just felt that he came across as pretty reasoned in explaining his feelings (though again i disagree with them quite strongly), whilst the 'interviewing' as such felt petty and immature.
if the interviewer didnt push him on the matters, then he isnt going to go into massive detail. It wasnt some debate on immigration, it was an interview with a popstar.
Its harsh not to give Morrisey a chance to respond to the idea that he is a racist before splashing it all over the front of their paper for some extra press coverage - whatever your views are (and i can imagine that morrisey is slightly more intelligent than say Nick Griffiths....)
their interviews with pop stars used to be drawn out multi page affairs with *shock horror* actual debates about politics and stuff.
if only it was still the case. but mainstream music stars can no longer say what they actually think else it be misquoted or just used to make them look stupid....hmm, look at the cover of the NME! I mean wire still touches stuff like that, but there will have to be another almighty paradigm shift to get the NME doing anything serious again (and no, i dont count this as serious)
not realizing extensive immigration isn't a problem while it's obvious governments being unable to adapt their politics to extensive immigration is the real problem.
Nothing really deserving of the "racist" tag.
As for national identity, they really don't exist anymore, aren't they ?
Immigration wasn't an extensive problem when his family were coming over here with their thousands of cousins from Ireland to find their fortunes...
"oh yeah, but european immigrants weren't the same problem" when at that time, european immigrants were less than welcome, at least here in France...
i'm not saying what he's said isn't idiotic and just plain ol' incorrect.
I mean sure it would be a bad thing but why set out to attack a man who you have barely written about in 18 months?
A load of 16 year old Pete Hadouken! (NME's audience) fans are not going to give a shit about some old man with big hair saying stuff about immigration are they.
All this is is NME desperately trying to boost circulation and they have no doubt succeded but at what cost? Presumably Tim Jonze, their only talented writer, will no longer assosciate himself with them and they have burnt all bridges with any serious music fans who hold Morrissey and The Smiths in high regard.
He's prepared to ADMIT that he doesn't like rap music, publicly, which is rare. I like him.
I'm insane, please ignore me.
my username rather inappropriate now?
Morrissey holds the same opinions as most of our parents.
Morrissey being roughtly the same age as most of our parents.
So, everyone is racist with the possible exception of Conor McNicholas, Shami Chakrabarti and that guy from Aswad.
old man is 70. But he likes to think he could pass for your parents' age.
with a Sri Lankan lady who is 32 and has lived here for 9 months after being forced to move here in an arranged marriage. She believes "our" country has a massive problem with immigration and cannot believe how easy it is for people to come here and basically be handed a life without any real effort at all. I was reading the NME during my lunch break and I thought I'd ask her to read it and react to it. She thought it was pretty much spot on and didn't feel it was racist in any way, shape or form.
Just because some yokel from a third world shithole agrees with Morrissey doesn't make him right. Especially seeing as Morrissey himself is a yokel from a third world shithole.
The biggest stumbling blocks that we as a country face when attempting to discuss this matter are not the immigrants themselves, but, certain rather simple minded reactionaries on the left who brandish the word 'racist' as a weapon.
They do at least as much harm to harmony and integration as the 'send em' back to where they came from' brigade.
Do people still buy Enema?
They're talking about it on Question Time right now.
... What did they say about it?
...so not a lot of time was spent on it.
Nothing unusual really. The UKIP guy was saying that Moz was right, the UK has lost it's identity, and that opening the borders to East Europeans 3 years ago was a disaster, he then went on to say that they should close the borders for the next 5 years.
The other parties all scorned him....whilst the audience clapped him.
The Labour/Tory stance was without immigration the economy would be in a mess, as would the health service etc.
The audience was split 50/50, some old guy saying that you can't say anything about immigration without being called a racist, and some young college student was saying that Britain hasn't lost it's identity because it has always welcomed immigration.
... What you'd expect then.
I see they've got Katie Melua discussing the issue on This Week in a few minutes...
I'm sure I speak for us all when I say that I've been waiting with barely contained anticipation to discover what the queen of bland balladry and soundtracker of choice to a million ghastly suburban dinner parties has to say on the matter.
I remember reading a cartoon strip on the subject of Mariah Carey's harrowing early years in long forgotten childrens newspaper supplement 'The Funday Times'.
It detailed how her neighbours tried to poison her pet dogs complete with frankly brilliant illustrations by an obviously entirely unsympathetic artist.
... she pretty much reiterated what Morrissey said. She said that politcal correctness has prevented Britain from keeping its identity, meaning immigrants find it harder to integrate.
was a vegetarian
with a kangaroo